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SWANN HD-820CAM (Hikvision DS-2CD2032) 1080P IR Bullet

This is another bargain brought to us by Costco.com, the Swann 1080P IR Bullets, at press time, $349 for two of them. Originally designed to work as part of their NVR package, I took a look at it as a standalone camera. This camera is manufactured by Hikvision and is OEM’ed to various companies, Swann and Lorax included. Hikvision is selling the camera as the DS-2CD2032 with the added bonus that it’s capable of not only 1080P, but also 3MP mode.  At this time, Costco.com seems to switching to the Lorax branded version of this camera.

Main Features

  • 1/3” 2.1 Megapixel CMOS sensor
  • H.264 dual-stream encoding
  • Max of 30fps @ 1080P (1920 x 1080)
  • 4mm fixed lens (75 degree viewing angle)
  • Day/Night IR Cut Filter
  • IR LED advertised working distance 35m
  • IP66 Rated Outdoor Bullet
  • Powered by PoE
  • Smartphone apps available

Overall, this is an impressive camera with very good image quality, good low light performance, well-organized menus and very, very small. The IR illuminators are bright and have good coverage. The lens, while it says it’s 4mm actually feels wider because it’s view.

This is what the web interface looks like when you first log in. There’s options to take a snapshot, manually record, chose a stream and more.

Here’s some of the setup screens. First thing to do on any network camera is set a fixed IP address, this is done here BUT, as a word of warning, the camera comes setup with a fixed IP of 192.0.0.64. There’s no easy way to change it. I downloaded iVMS-4000 from Hikvision and this had an option to find the cameras and change the IP but I had to manually change the IP on my laptop to the 192.0.0 subnet for it to work. I think Swann or Hikvision can make it easier on us and provide a simple IP camera finder app.

The next thing is to set the time. I use times.windows.com with port 123. Then go to the DST tab to set your daylight savings time days.

The reason you want the time set correctly is because these cameras have the coolest On Screen Display (OSD). It looks at the contrast for each letter and makes it black or white depending on the background.  You can see that the date/time is black when over the concrete and white over the grass. This happens automatically.

The image setup screen is where you fine tune the image, select WDR and noise reduction settings. Probably one of the most configurable camera in this price range.

Now onto the images. I mounted this in the usual spot, under the eave of my garage. As before, you can click on the image to see the full size, 1080P image straight from the camera. Also as before, I set the max exposure time to 1/30th.

This is a day shot, color balance is quite good and it’s just a nice sharp clear image. This is taken in the late afternoon, the harsh sun shining towards the camera. With WDR set moderately low, you can see the tire tread in the shadow of the car. With WDR off, this would just be black. This is actually one of the better WDR implementations I’ve seen at any price.

Here’s a b&w image at night. Good contrast, small amount of noise, good IR coverage.

Since there’s streetlights I have no control over, I also mounted the camera in my backyard which is only lit by the moon. As you can see, the scene is well lit by the built in IR illuminator, noise is slightly increased.

Some of you use BlueIris software, good low cost general purpose NVR software, now with IOS and Android smartphone apps, and a streaming server so you can embed live streaming video from your cameras on a web page.

There’s some quirks you have to look out for. First, select Hikvision RTSP as a camera choice. I was able to get smooth video after making some tweaks. On the camera, I increased the CBR max bitrate to 5120, I set the key frames to 30 both in BlueIris and on the cameras, I set BlueIris to 29 fps, and set the received buffer to 10MB and I was able to get smooth video as you’ll see from the videos.

I uploaded day and night videos to YouTube. To see them at the full 1080P resolution, you must click on the gear icon and select 1080P resolution and then click on the icon with 4 corners to see the video full screen. The video was extracted from BlueIris and represents several events pieced into one extract I did.

Some of you may be trying to compare this to the similar looking Dahua cameras, IPC-HFW2100 sold as Q-See 720 IR Bullet currently at Costco for $299 for a 2-pack that I previously reviewed HERE.  The cameras look nearly identical. There’s the obvious difference that the Dahua is 720P and this is 1080P. To me, side by side, the image quality both day and night is superior on the Swann. The color balance, the WDR, the noise reduction is better handled on the Swann. Also, while Dahua will not provide factory support in the U.S., Hikvision will provide factory support on their branded cameras and of course, if you buy the Swann or Lorex versions, they will support you directly. For example, a lot of the software Hikvision provides is readily available along with documentation on their website, www.hikvision.com. Also, they have a U.S. headquarters just outside of Los Angeles, CA. If you never heard of Hikvision it’s because they are fairly new to the U.S. market but they are the worlds largest manufacturer of security cameras. Swann, headquarterd in Australia also has offices in the U.S. and Lorex is headquartered in the U.S. in Indiana.

Some people have successfully loaded the Hikvision firmware for this camera allowing it to operate in 3MP mode. The NVR can not record past 1080P (2MP mode), so you would have to run NVR software like BlueIris to derive benefit from 3MP resolution.

The pluses for this camera are;

  • Price
  • 1080P at 30fps
  • Bright IR illuminators
  • Day/Night IR Cut Filter

The shortcoming of the camera are;

  • They need an easy to use IP camera finder
  • Was not able to get the camera to FTP motion triggered video

Click here to go to the company web page for the camera

 

 


461 Responses to “SWANN HD-820CAM (Hikvision DS-2CD2032) 1080P IR Bullet”


  1. 1 Q
    April 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Great review. Thank you. I wish I had purchased several more of these puppies before they went AWOL.

  2. 2 Jan
    April 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    How is this camera in comparison with the dahua ipc-hfw3200c?

    • 3 networkcameracritic
      April 29, 2013 at 1:19 pm

      The ipc-hfw3200c has more features like alarm i/o, 2 way audio, varifocal lens, and costs twice the price so not a fair comparison. But I would say the image quality is comparable, but this one has better white balance, more choices for tweaking max exposure, wdr and noise reduction, faster menus. Also, Dahua does not provide warranty, service or support in the U.S. where Hikvision does. Hikvision makes other models that may be more comparable in features but I would say the closest Dahua camera to this is the ipc-hfw3200s.

  3. 6 Greg Smith
    April 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Do you have a link to this specific camera on the Costco website? I cant find it.

    Greg Smith

    • 7 networkcameracritic
      April 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm

      They sold out and Costco does this all the time, they put a product, sells well and then disappears. Look for the Lorax bundle they have now for $849 for an 8 channel NVR, 2TB hard drive and 4 of these cameras. I would expect that they will have a 2-pack soon as this has been their way, put up the package first, then the individual cameras.

  4. 8 JF19
    April 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    I seem to be going around in circles with this project :/

    I had originally been waiting for the Dahua bullets, but then the ACTi E32 and E72 came out at a very similar price. Just when I’d decided on either of these (waiting on a decent review of the E72 before deciding), these pop up at Costco. Now I’m in the UK, so can’t get them from Costco (not available in UK Costco), but I noted the DS-2CD2032 can be had from China for $140/each. That’s half the price of the ACTis :O

    The only issue is I need support for FTP storage and push to mobile App/email (without an NVR as ill be using NAS for storage).

    Has anyone used the DS-2CD2032 (or used HIKVision FW) and confirmed if FTP storage works, or is it also restricted to use with an NVR like the rebranded siblings at Costco? Also do the cameras support push to mobile App?

    Finally any opinions on wether the ACTis are worth double the price? Bear in mind ill be importing from the ACTis from the US, so the better support I’d get from ACTi probably doesn’t factor for my circumstances (good chance they won’t support an imported camera :()

    Any input greatly appreciated as I’m getting dizzy from all the going around in circles :(

    • 9 networkcameracritic
      April 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm

      Where did you get the Hikvision camera from in China? I tried to get FTP to work but it did not, but it could be something Swann did to neutered the camera so that people use their NVR.

      • 10 JF19
        April 29, 2013 at 5:07 pm

        I haven’t got it yet, just seen it advertised.

      • 11 JF19
        April 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        There at aliexpress btw, didnt post that before as wasn’t sure if it was allowed. But looks like you pre-mod comments so can always remove the comment if it isn’t allowed.
        Hope everyone doesn’t buy them out before I get my answers though :D

        • 12 networkcameracritic
          April 29, 2013 at 6:06 pm

          I don’t have advertisers so I don’t care if people find a good place to find from and want to share the information.

        • 14 Brian Smyth
          April 30, 2013 at 8:50 am

          Hi JF19,

          I have bought two of these from Aliexpress (im from UK also) and would be happy to let you know how I get on when they arrive, although it did say it would be approx 3 weeks before I get them.

          Regards,
          Brian

          • 15 networkcameracritic
            April 30, 2013 at 8:56 am

            Those will be a long 3 week, LOL. Was the cost of shipping a lot less than if you used DHL or Fedex? I haven’t tried China Post for cameras myself but I would if the costs is much lower.

          • 16 JF19
            April 30, 2013 at 9:30 am

            Thank you that would be greatly appreciated. This will be my first purchase through aliexpress, did you use a credit card for added protection? Or are you familiar with the end supplier?

            Having looked at the images for the rebranded Costco units, I’m heavily leaning towards these over the ACTis and just living with email alerts rather then push to App. They are essentially half the price of the ACTis :/

          • 17 JF19
            April 30, 2013 at 9:57 am

            Networkcameracritic, have you seen any reviews or independent images of the dome equivelant (DS-2CD2132-I)?

            The domes are not much more, but am wary of buying several without first seeing some independent images, since I’ve read domes can be more challenging to get right.

          • 18 Brian Smyth
            April 30, 2013 at 10:07 am

            Hi,

            Indeed it will ;-)

            I have never used Aliexpress before but I have a friend who uses them from time to time, so I thought id take a chance. The postage to UK was $85 which brought the total cost to about $360 for the pair of cameras. If they are the same as the one in your review, they will be worth every penny.

            Fingers crossed and looking forward to seeing more fantastic reviews on this blog.

            Regards,
            Brian

          • 19 networkcameracritic
            April 30, 2013 at 10:12 am

            Seem expensive for slow shipping. I usually pay that, $40/cam for Fedex, comes in 3 days but could it’s just slower because of the UK import process.

          • 20 JF19
            April 30, 2013 at 10:33 am

            Shipping is quoted as $184 for 6 cameras. $347 for UPS and goes upto $477 for UPS express.

            What stood out to me was TNT is $415, more expensive then UPS and FedEx, LOL

          • 21 Brian Smyth
            May 2, 2013 at 1:38 am

            Hi,

            I just got an update from Aliexpress to say they were proceeding with the order. The camera has the choice of three lens sizes (4mm, 6mm & 12mm). I got one 4mm & one 6mm.

            I was wondering what the 6mm would look like compared to the 4mm one above. Ill let you know when they arrive and if you like I will send screen shots to compare the two.

            Regards,
            Brian

      • 22 No5
        April 30, 2013 at 11:22 am

        Yes too (on the DS-2CD2132-I). Although your past reviews on the Dahua domes with IR bleed issues rendered them useless in your opinion in the dark. This cam is $155 + $60 on AliExpress and is rated down to -30c which is perfect for my artic climate. This price point is unheard of for the resolution. I have literally waited years to see this kind of price point. Wonder if it would work with Blue Iris….

  5. 23 No5
    April 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Could this bullet camera not be directly purchased through Hikvision (product code (DS-2CD2032-I))?

    • 24 networkcameracritic
      April 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      I don’t think so, I think you have to go through one of their distributors like ADI if you are a reseller, if this is retail, then you have to go through one of their resellers.

  6. 25 John
    April 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Carl, another nuce review! These cameras sound like a greta deal especialy if most of the camera control and recording is provided by software elsewheres like in my situation. Question, how is the physical quality of these cameras when compared to Dahua?

    Thanks,
    John
    New Jersey

    P.s. i got your emails last week but I was extremely busy. Btw, the gas station got robbed again by someone with a knife. The cops got him since FINALLY the dopes that own the gas station installed silent alarms.. The cops did not need my assistance since they got thie guy. Better yet, on Sunday a guy in a truck tried to abduct a 12 year old girl with a gun. While in the process, the guy got scared off and fled. It was reported he may have gone past my house since this happened 1 block away and my street is the main road so the poloce stopped by. The guy and his truck was recorded by 2 of my cameras (axis q6035-e and a bullet). Although the plate was unreadable, the cops know exactly what he is driving since the 12 year old girl was not able to give a good description other that a 4 door black new pickup with a cap and tinted windows.

    • 26 networkcameracritic
      April 29, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      Time to move. I would say if feels and looks the same as the mini IR bullet from Dahua. Solid chunky heavy feel.

  7. 27 Joe
    April 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Nice write-up on the camera. Any initial review on the NVR? I hear NVRs with built-in POE are loud. How does it compare to Dahua NVR?

  8. 28 tom95521
    April 30, 2013 at 1:46 am

    Great review. Purchased 4 of these cameras for use with Blue Iris. The high contrast text is cool. Amazing video quality.

    Thanks,
    Tom

  9. 29 Brian Smyth
    April 30, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I have purchased two of these from Aliexpress (with a view of buying another two if it works out). I see in your previous posts that you mention various NVR software solutions such as BlueIris or XProtect.

    Which software would you recommend for these cameras and what impact on the performance of the server when recording with motion detection enabled for certain zones? The reason I ask is that I need to purchase a workstation to act as an NVR and would like some idea as to the hit it will be taking with the software and the four cameras running.

    Regards,
    Brian Smyth

    • 30 networkcameracritic
      April 30, 2013 at 12:41 pm

      To run 4 cameras with BlueIris or Milestone xProtect it will probably require a current i5 and that should hold you to about 6 3MP cameras. Beyond that, look at getting an i7.

  10. 31 JeffL
    April 30, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I contacted Lorex and asked the same question I asked Swann about supporting the cameras hooked to my network and not POE ports on their NVR. Got the same response of “NOT supported” at all. I know the cameras work of course simply on the LAN and accessed in other ways (direct stream, BI, etc.). So I know they work and work really well from this good review here. BUT… as far as support goes, according to Swann and Lorex, they will NOT support the cameras when used in that manner. Lorex flat out said that the cameras are not to be hooked to anything other than their NVR or they will not be supported. I think this is a very stupid and short sighted policy. But something people should be aware of if they are thinking that these companies will stand behind their products when used in a way they don’t want you to. They may of course, but they may not. What are other’s thoughts on this? Is this a non-issue or something to be concerned about? For me, I need cameras distributed around on my LAN and not just plugged directly into a NVR.

    • 32 networkcameracritic
      April 30, 2013 at 1:32 pm

      I would think they have to honor any warranties if the camera fails or malfunctions, how would they know if it was connected to an NVR or you just logged into to the camera via the web interface. Imagine what they would say if installed Hikvision firmware on it to get 3MP to work. What’s interesting is that Lorex sells cameras through Costco.com that are network cameras that are not advertised to work with this NVR, meaning they probably get those cameras from a different manufacturer, not Hikvision and they are not likely compatible with the NVR. Typical of a company like Swann, Q-See, D-Link or Lorex that don’t manufacture all their cameras and just OEM cameras from other companies. I know the Hikivision branded camera is available through normal distribution channels in the U.S., just don’t know what resellers carry them. I do know the same source I have for Dahua in China also carries Hikvision, that’s Tina at DSDcctv.

  11. 33 swaggy
    April 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Thanks for doing this review. I was waiting for your review before ordering these from Costco but I now realize that I am too late. I did notice they have a Lorex two-pack for $349. Is this the same Hikvision OEM that you just reviewed?

    • 34 networkcameracritic
      April 30, 2013 at 4:18 pm

      Yes, same cameras, same price.

      • 35 swaggy
        April 30, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        Thanks for the confirmation and thanks for your great reviews as always!

        • 36 swaggy
          May 9, 2013 at 5:22 pm

          I picked up the Lorex 2-pack from Costco, did not realize how tiny these cameras are! Still playing with it, trying to get a useable image out of them with Zoneminer. Does anyone have a working RTSP URL for these?

          In case anyone is wondering, the default web interface credentials for the Lorex are admin/000000.

  12. 37 Tony
    May 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I know this is off topic to the Dahua bullet camera. But I’m looking for a 16 channel dvr. Is there one you recommend?

  13. 38 JeffL
    May 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Did you ever get the HikVision NVR software working with this? I realize that they offer a dedicated NVR and it also works with BlueIris. But… if the HikVision NVR software running under Windows was light weight (like ACTi’s), that would be a HUGE plus for these cameras. Thanks!

    • 39 networkcameracritic
      May 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      I installed it but it requires that you format a drive for this purpose and my PC only has one drive so couldn’t test it.

      • 40 JeffL
        May 4, 2013 at 1:38 pm

        Technically, it only needs a partition. If you have some free space, you could temporarily create a small partition on your one drive and not impact anything else. When done with testing, you can just re-merge the partition back into normal use.

      • 41 nowlan
        May 13, 2013 at 7:33 am

        You might try a virtual machine.
        VirtualBox is free.

  14. 42 Joe
    May 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    I wonder if the Hikvision and the Swann really are the same? The Hikvision states:

    1/2.5″ Progressive Scan CMOS

    and the Swann (on Costco’s site) says:

    Video Image Sensor: 1/3″ CMOS

    Don’t seem to be the same size sensors. Am I reading this right?

    Thanks,

    Joe

    • 43 networkcameracritic
      May 4, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      The Swann and Lorex cameras are made by Hikvision, but that doesn’t mean they are identical.

      • 44 Mark
        May 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm

        Hi, late reply here, but if the Hik firmware loads on the Swann and Lorex, well, Occam’s Razor…

        The difference in the sensor size would also explain why the lens feels shorter than what’s specified- a 1/3″ sensor gives a wider view than a 1/4″ sensor with the same lens, so a 1/2.5″ sensor will also give a little wider view than the 1/3″.

  15. 45 Pete
    May 4, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    I see costco still has these in stock or am I wrong? http://www.costco.com/.product.759675.html
    Images are superb to anything I have seen, thank you for sharing.

    • 46 networkcameracritic
      May 4, 2013 at 9:30 pm

      Yes, the got the Swann 2-pack back in stock and also the Lorex 2-pack, appears to be identical.

      • 47 Brian
        May 28, 2013 at 7:53 pm

        Great article/review. I’m a newbie and have a Synology NAS. I would like to know if the Swann 2-pack or Lorex 2-pack camera would be compatible with Synology. I understand it would be unsupported from Synology’s perspective as it is not on their compatibility list. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.

        • 48 networkcameracritic
          May 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm

          Why would it not be supported by Synology? They have a long list of Hikvision cameras they support. Heck, Hikvision is the #1 cctv camera company in the world, it would be in Synology’s best interest to support their cameras. Yes, Swann & Lorex are manufactured by Hikvision.

          • 49 Brian
            May 29, 2013 at 7:27 pm

            Yes, you are correct that Synology supports many Hikvision cameras (I apologize as I did not do thorough homework). On Synology’s compatibility list, it does not mention Hikvision DS-2CD2032. I was wondering if another model is similar to DS-2CD2032. Synology provides the ability to select ONVIF which both Hikvision and Synology are members, but I do not know what type of limitations if I configured it as such.

            Regardless, your review was great and I impulsively purchased the Lorex 2-Pack to test it out. If it works, I’ll update here on my findings.

            I know I will need a POE switch as I plan to connect between 2-4 cameras. You mention both Zyxel and Trendnet in your articles.

            Are these the two models you are referring to:

            ZyXEL
            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=33-181-163&ParentOnly=1&IsVirtualParent=1
            TrendNet
            http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-8-Port-100Mbps-Switch-TPE-S44/dp/B000QYEN1W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369878624&sr=8-1&keywords=Trendnet+TPE-S44

            In your opinion, is one better than the other? Thank you.

          • 50 networkcameracritic
            May 29, 2013 at 7:59 pm

            ZyXel is what I replaced Trendnet with. First, ZyXel is pull power on each PoE port, 15.4W x 4. Trendnet is 30W max, so 15.4W per port as long as you don’t exceed 30W. So what does that mean? The cameras you bought are I believe 6-7W each when IR is on. That’s at the camera and the 30W max is at the switch. When you factor in distance losses, you may not have enough power with Trendnet to run 4 cameras at night should you buy another 2-pack. That is why I switched, I was getting cameras dropping out at night from not enough power. The other factor is the ZyXel runs on 120VAC, meaning plug it in the wall with a power cord. The Trendnet runs on low voltage, meaning you plug in a power brick adapter which to me looks messier. I wish everything ran on straight 120VAC. I bought an LG TV that I mounted on the wall and it used a power brick, so I had to get double stick tape, mount it on the back of the TV and then get tie wraps to hide all the wire, OMG, they should be shot for doing this. It’s like my 2.2lbs Macbook Air, really cool except I have the huge power brick I have to carry with me, again, should be shot for this. Sorry for the rank, I just have this thing against unnecessary power bricks.

  16. 52 Pete
    May 4, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Thanks for the confirmation. I come from the CCTV forum, and just read a member state that he leaves his ACTI running at 30fps while these running at 15fps to give the CPU a break. Is the Video processing take place at the camera for the ACTI yet the CPU or NVR for these swanns? Why was it not a problem playing 30fps on the ACTI but needed a reduced frame rate for the swanns ” to give his “CPU a break”. Also no one has been able to store off site with the swanns? Iam assuming they were using BLue Iris for both. Nice little private site.

  17. 53 Pete
    May 4, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Thought I posted. I noticed in the forum a member stated they have their ACTi at 30fps while the Swanns at 15fps to give the CPU a break using Blue Iris. Is the video processing different for these cams that this member can run ACTI at 30fps without an issue? While the Swanns would rely on the Pcs or NVRs CPU?

  18. May 5, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Thanks for the review! I’d been planning for months to buy Dahuas, but after seeing this I bought the Lorex NVR + 4-camera package and a 2-camera Swann package. The NVR is only $50 given that I can find another use for the included 2TB hard drive. So if the NVR is any good, it’s an amazing deal; if it’s a doorstop, I’ll still be happy.

    • May 8, 2013 at 10:57 pm

      Both packages came today. A few things I’ve noticed already:

      * The Swann cameras’ web interface is crippled with Chrome on OS X. (It says “No plug-in detected.” where you’d hope there to be video, with no hint that such a plugin actually exists. At least one important tab is missing the “Save” button. Another has a lot of missing text.) I suspect I’ll be dusting off my Windows VMware image and using Internet Explorer. Haven’t tried the Lorex web interface but I imagine it’s the same.

      * rtsp://camera.ip.address.here/ works fine in VLC on a Swann camera, and image quality seems consistent with the review. It’s no surprise given the review used Blueiris but still good to see. I expect Bluecherry would work fine, too, then.

      * The Lorex NVR is plug-and-play with the Lorex cameras but not the Swann cameras. I haven’t gotten the Lorex NVR and Swann cameras to work together yet. Changing the Swann’s IP address via the web interface to match the Lorex NVR’s expectations and changing protocol from “LOREX” to “ONVIF” in the NVR menu wasn’t enough. (The NVR still says “Disconnected” for the camera’s status.) I’ll play more this weekend. Probably better to buy the like-branded gear, but I needed it right away so I have what was in stock.

      Overall the setup UIs are klunky, but hopefully once I get everything set up none of that will matter. Image quality so far seems good, consistent with the review videos.

      • June 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm

        I got the Swann cameras working with the Lorex NVR. It’s really simple: I went into the web interface (using the default 192.0.0.64 IP out of the box) and changed the password from Swann’s default (12345) to Lorex’s default (000000). Then the Lorex NVR autodetects it.

        I see that JC mentioned he had to use a separate PoE switch for Swann cameras on a Lorex NVR. I did not have to do this. It works fine with the Lorex supplying power.

        Also, I got everything to work with Chrome on OS X after all. BBF mentioned a Lorex download link for an OS X plugin. It works on Chrome as well as Safari, and on the Swann cameras as well as the Lorex NVR.

        • 57 Cece Rubin
          August 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm

          We just got our Swann cameras through the mail yesterday have been trying to add them to our Lorex NVR.

          Since they are new…is it possible they are blocking the password from being changed? We have tried over and over to change the Swan password (12345) to Lorex’s (000000) to no avail….or as they say today only to a FAIL.

          Maybe we’re doing something wrong or there’s a new software out there to help us?

          Thanks! ~ Cece

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          Scott Lamb
          June 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm

          I got the Swann cameras working with the Lorex NVR. It’s really simple: I went into the web interface (using the default 192.0.0.64 IP out of the box) and changed the password from Swann’s default (12345) to Lorex’s default (000000). Then the Lorex NVR autodetects it.

          I see that JC mentioned he had to use a separate PoE switch for Swann cameras on a Lorex NVR. I did not have to do this. It works fine with the Lorex supplying power.

          Also, I got everything to work with Chrome on OS X after all. BBF mentioned a Lorex download link for an OS X plugin. It works on Chrome as well as Safari, and on the Swann cameras as well as the Lorex NVR.

        • 58 cece rubin
          August 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm

          SCOTT LAMB QUOTE ON JUNE 6………

          ….”I got the Swann cameras working with the Lorex NVR. It’s really simple: ….
          …….I went into the web interface…………….

          (using the default 192.0.0.64 IP out of the box) and changed the password from Swann’s default (12345) to Lorex’s default (000000).

          =================
          QUESTIONS:
          What web interface?
          Web interface = Hikvision??
          Try to change the password. Select “Enter”, “Apply”, OK.

          The new password is not being saved, detected and it actually REVERTS back to the original password. We cannot figure out what we’re doing wrong.

          Help! Newbies over here!

  19. 59 Craig
    May 6, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    I recently purchased an 8-channel Dahua NVR with the intention of adding Dahua IP cameras. After seeing your review I find the image quality of these SWANN cameras is superior to the Dahua bullits I was going to buy. Will these SWANN cameras work with my Dahua NVR or will I have to buy a SWANN brand NVR?

    • 60 networkcameracritic
      May 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm

      Can’t say for sure until you try but I doubt they will. But you can always sell your Dahua NVR on eBay.

  20. 61 Craig
    May 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Is there a setting on these cameras that allows you to turn off the IR illuminators? I want to use separate lighting located away from the cameras to avoid triggering the motion detection when bugs fly by at night.

    • 62 Byro W.
      June 20, 2013 at 11:34 pm

      1) Log into camera
      2) Click on “CONFIGURATION” on the top bar
      3) Click on “Basic Configuration” in the left column
      4) Click on “Image”
      5) Locate (Day/Night Switch) and select “Day” from the pull-down

      Enjoy!

  21. 63 swaggy
    May 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Posting for everyone’s benefit. I was finally able to get the Lorex version of these cameras working with Zoneminder using RTSP. Had to set the monitor in ZM for ffmpeg with URL of rtsp://user:password@camera_ip_address:554. However, I could only get it to work semi-reliably with the camera at 720p, 30 i-frames, 20fps and 2048kbps. I think this is a Zoneminder issue but can’t quite figure out what specifically about these Lorex/Hikvision cameras is giving ZM trouble. I have a Dahua bullet working at 1080p at CBR with 4096kbps in ZM without any problems.

    Downloaded a trial of Blue Iris and was able to get the Lorex working at 1080 resolution using the settings described above in the review, but BI seems to be much less efficient than ZM in terms of system resources. I had it running as a VM with dual 3Ghz vCPUs and 4G of RAM and the CPU utilization was pegged at 99%.

    • 64 Notchy
      August 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm

      Hi Swaggy,

      Did you ever get your Lorex working correctly with zoneminder?

      What is the resource usage on the PC you are using.
      Could you tell me the spec of your machine that you have Zoneminder on?

  22. 65 BBF
    May 11, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I bought the Lorex NVR + 4 camera version from Costco. Camera is denoted as LNB2151.

    It was fairly easy to get the NVR connected to my LAN. I use Mac OSX, not Windows. Lorex has issued a Safari plugin that works well to get local or remote viewing of the cameras on a Mac. Installing this plugin is very easy; probably much easier than installing the Lorex hardware in Windows.

    I was also able to get the Lorex mobile apps (Lorex NetHD) to work on an iPhone and iPad. The only quirk was that the first time I tried to go to Live View on the iPhone and the iPad, I got an “Insufficient Memory” warning on both the iPhone and iPad. But leaving the app and then coming back, the live multi-cam view worked on both mobile devices.

  23. 66 Brian Smyth
    May 11, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Hi,

    My Hikvision cameras arrived on Friday from China (which was a total of 10 days). They are very good quality but there are definitely differences between mine and yours. The max I can set my FPS is 25. Now I bought the PAL units, and yours is most likely NTSC so maybe that’s the difference. I can set mine up to 3MP resolution (although I keep it at 1080p).

    You are welcome to log into them remotely to see if you can find any other differences, but the onboard web interface is fantastic. I haven’t been able to get the HikVision NVR software to work. Also when I use the BlueIris software it seems to not be able to keep up and the video can be a bit jumpy. Im sure with a bit of tweaking it will work perfectly.

    The 4mm unit is great and covers my entire driveway. The 6mm version is much narrower and I have it focused on my back doors, but it doesn’t cover much else. If anyone else is able to get the HikVision NVR software working I would really appreciate any help that could be offered.

    Regards,
    Brian Smyth

    • 67 JF19
      May 13, 2013 at 12:48 am

      Hi Brian,

      Was it Melinda you were dealing with for the order from AliExpress? Given yours have arrived safe and sound I think I will risk the domes. Given the price I think worst case I could easily ebay them locally if they don’t work we’ll for my implementation.

      How is the video performance on yours day/night?

    • 68 David
      May 16, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      Hello,

      Lots of good info here. I don’t have a Costco membership plus I wanted the real thing so I just ordered two of these from aliexpress today. Brian, did you have the option to select the lens size while ordering or did you just email the seller and request one of each? I really want to insure I get the 4mm lens. Thanks for your posts and any help you can provide.

      Regards,
      David

    • 70 JF19
      May 17, 2013 at 6:06 am

      I just noted you bought the PAL version and frame rate is restricted to 25FPS. I noticed it stated different frame rates for PaL and NTSC versions on the specs, but thought it must be error. I can only guess due to the architecture of the processing/sw, the base FPS (when running at PAL/NTSC res) forms the numerator for all sub frame rates.

      If that is the case I think I may just order the NTSC versions, as can’t see any reason why I’d need the PAL versions.

  24. 71 Brian Smyth
    May 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Yes Melinda was very helpful. You can email me on briansmyth@gmail.com and ill send you the logon details of one of my cameras. I find the quality incredible. I would be surprised if you don’t like yours. I would say that the 4mm is a great range. The 6mm has a better picture but the field of vision is much narrower.

  25. 72 bparanoid
    May 15, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Ok, It seems the more I research these cameras the more I get confused with all the versions.

    Hikvision has two versions:
    DS-2CD2012 1.3mp
    &
    DS-2CD2032 3mp (not yet released in USA/CDN)

    So is the Lorex & Swann version sold at Costco the 1.3mp version or the 3mp version scaled back?

  26. 73 Albert
    May 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Help! How do you reset these to factory default? I can’t change the IP on one of them like I can with others I have tried (and I have no idea why others have worked but not this one). I think it’s because it won’t accept the “000000″ password.

  27. 74 B.A.
    May 16, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    FYI:

    1. For this camera and DVR the Swann version of Hikvision IVMS-4200 software is available from swann.com.au (you have to ask tech support for the long and convoluted ftp address… but it is there, I downloaded it, and it seems to work with 10.6.8.

    2. This camera is available now at Costco in a two pack. The NVR is supposed to be available at Costco again sometime this week (next week?) per Swann customer service. I have not seen it yet, but thats what they told me.

    Stay tuned.

  28. 75 Harvey
    May 17, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Thank you! I was about to return this Lorex 1080p camera to Costco.

    Last week I ordered the Lorex 1080p 2 pack camera for $350 and just got it today. I checked Costco’s website and now they’re branded as Swann!

    Anyway, I wanted to use this with BlueIris and IpCamViewer (on Android) and could not find the camera on the network. I ended up doing what the OP said, which was to change subnets and access 192.0.0.64 and it worked! I logged in as admin/000000 and was able to change the static IP to my local network.

    I’m a camera noob and previously owned some crappy Foscams, but now that I’ve gotten these to work I will be replacing them all.

    What I also like about this 1080p camera is that it is so small and only requires a single ethernet cable!

    Anyway, just wanted to say thank you and good luck to the others!

    • 76 networkcameracritic
      May 18, 2013 at 7:25 am

      Works well with BlueIris, just specify Hikvision RTSP as the camera choice.

      • 77 Harvey
        May 18, 2013 at 11:28 am

        Ah. I used the Lorex LNE3003 w/audio RTSP port and it worked. I’ll switch to the Hikvision one instead.

        By the way do you happen touse IpCamViewer for Android? It doesn’t look like they support the camera directly and I would prefer this rather than connecting to BlueIris.

  29. 78 JC
    May 19, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Anyone know how to access a static jpg image from the camera? None of the usual url’s seem to work. I want to be able to grab an image once/second. Tried to telnet in to look around, but it won’t accept any of the passwords I’ve tried.

    Thanks!

  30. May 20, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Why is my Lorex so noisy?

    Sample:
    http://www.wiersch.com/jpg/driveway.20130520_005602_1.jpg

    “Digital Noise Reduction” is set to “Normal Mode” and “Noise Reduction Level” is set to 50.

    • 80 networkcameracritic
      May 20, 2013 at 8:35 am

      Kick up noise reduction to 100 and reduce WDR to off or a low setting. A high WDR will introduce more noise than it’s worth.

      • 81 TidalWaveOne
        May 20, 2013 at 8:44 am

        Thanks. I had WDR at 26, so I think that’s pretty low already (?). I’ll kick up the noise reduction to 100 and see how that helps.

        What do you have yours set to?

        Is it possible the SWANN and Lorex might have different sensors?

        • 82 networkcameracritic
          May 20, 2013 at 9:15 am

          Mine was just borrowed but try turning WDR completely off and see what happens.

          • 83 TidalWaveOne
            May 20, 2013 at 9:19 am

            OK, thanks. I’ll mess around with the WDR and noise reduction settings.

          • 84 TidalWaveOne
            May 21, 2013 at 6:52 am

            Yes, it was mostly WDR causing the noise. I really like WDR during the day when it’s bright, but it causes a lot of noise at night. I don’t suppose there is a way to turn it on for the day and off at night? If not, I guess I just need to find a balance that works well enough for lots of light and low light/no light.

          • 85 networkcameracritic
            May 21, 2013 at 8:02 am

            I don’t know of any way, but there may be. On most brands where they give you control over WDR, even Axis, ACTi, I use the least amount I can get away with because too much causes noise.

  31. 86 JC
    May 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    I still haven’t found a good url to grab a static image from the camera. Tried to download the firmware to look at, but the a-holes have it password protected. Anyone have a link to a proper firmware download? From the settings and descriptions, it seems like the camera should have a link for a static image. I currently have the Lorex system, and will take a look at the Swann version if costco gets it back in. The Lorex nvr has a rs485 connection, which I assume is for alarms – thought it didn’t have that. They also claim 240fps, which I thought someone said wasn’t true. The Swann is also supposed to have twice the memory and a faster processor – hopefully I can find one and see.

  32. 89 Mark
    May 22, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Hello, I have a beginners question for this camera. The swann hd-820cam uses PoE which means if I don’t have a Swann NVR then I need some sort of switch to separate power from video, correct? I can’t just plug the camera into my router since the router won’t provide power. Does the camera have a separate power plug I can use?

    • 90 networkcameracritic
      May 22, 2013 at 11:07 am

      You can read my article on PoE by clicking Terminology on the right but in a nutshell, you’ll need a PoE switch and that will connect and power the camera using just an ordinary Ethernet cable. I personally use Zyxel and they make inexpensive but well made PoE switches, maybe $70 for one with 4 PoE ports and $120 for one with 8 PoE ports. Careful on the wording when you buy, an 8 port PoE switch may only have 4 of those ports be PoE, the rest are ordinary ports.

    • 93 JC
      May 22, 2013 at 11:20 am

      There should be a second white cable coming out for power – I believe it is 12 volts – it talks about it in the docs. I haven’t tried it that way, but appears you can use a normal ethernet connection and plug in a power adapter at the camera. Gives you more flexibility and good for testing if you don’t have a POE switch. You can’t use POE and the power line at the same time, or it will damage the camera. You’ll probably be best off using a POE switch as Networkcameracritic suggested.

      • 94 Harvey
        May 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm

        It does have an option to power the camera using a 12V 5.5 x 2.1 barrel plug. I used an old router power supply to do this before I purchased an 8 port 4 PoE TRENDnet switch from amazon. At 350mA, each camera draws up to 4.2 amps which many of the cheap switches can handle even at full load.

  33. 95 Dan
    May 22, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    After reading your post on CCTV Forum about the sensor and viewing your photo of the sensor would it be possible to get some clarification or the differences between the Swann and the Hikvision version of this camera. From my reading it appears as if they both use the same sensor but through interpolation, the Hikvision converts the image to a listed 3mp. Is this accurate? If this is accurate, would there be any benefit of obtaining the 3MP version vs obtaining the 1080P version from Costco.

    Would you see any discernible visual difference between the 3MP Hikvision version and the Swann 1080P version?

    • 96 networkcameracritic
      May 22, 2013 at 1:36 pm

      This implies that you will install unauthorized firmware from Hikvision on a Swann or Lorex camera that will immediately void the warranty. If you are willing to risk that, then yes, both cameras appear to be physically and functionally equivalent when running the same firmware. It’s a 3MP camera but Swann and Lorex limit it to 1080P to a) get the full 30fps frame rate, b) work with their NVR which is limited to 1080P. The benefit of buying the actual Hikvision branded product is you would have 3MP without having to compromise the warranty.

      • 97 Dan
        May 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm

        The inference that you draw is correct. I already have two of the Swann cameras but wish to purchase four more. The warrantee issue is not of a major concern; I was trying to determine the best course of action. Thank you for your help to me and everyone else. You certainly are a fount of knowledge about these cameras.

  34. 98 DS
    May 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I want to try out the Hikvision firmware. Where do you get the Hikvision firmware exactly? I’m not seeing it on the Hikvision site.

  35. 99 Ty
    May 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    I purchased the 2 Lorex cameras from Costco. The video quality and fps is fantastic in the camera’s software. But, in Blue Iris, it is slower and choppier. (I’ve used the Hikvision settings that you’d recommended above.)

    Is this to be expected when using Blue Iris, compared to viewing the feed directly from the camera’s page?

    By the way, excellent site. Your reviews have helped me on more than one occasion with my purchases. :)

    • 100 networkcameracritic
      May 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      I didn’t have any problem using the Swann version with BlueIris. Make sure it’s the latest version as they made some updates to make it easier to setup. If you still have issues, go to the cam-it.org forum, this is the unofficial blueiris forum.

  36. 108 Kevin
    May 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Hi,
    I bought an Lorex system NVR and 4 cameras from costco.com and I really like them.
    Now I want to buy another 4 cams but they are out of stock now.
    Do you know if I buy the Swann cameras they will work with the Lorex NVR since they are identical?
    Also if you can suggest any other cameras that will work with Lorex NVR will bre great.

    Thanks.

    • 109 JC
      May 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      I have the same and also picked up a 2-pack of the Swann cameras. Couldn’t get them to work hooked up to the POE ports, but I’m currently running them all from the LAN side and remote POE switches. Both the Lorex and Swann cameras work fine if I add them manually. I wanted to be able to access the cameras from the NVR and the local LAN. I’m waiting to see if the Swann NVR shows back up at Costco – it sounded like a better deal overall, as it has a longer warranty, and the NVR was reported to have a faster processor and twice the memory, and alarm ports – I think it’s $50 more though. I just started playing around with the Lorex – have you had any issues with playback? I have 4 cameras hooked up right now, and they all look fine in live mode, but in playback only the first is fluid – the other three are very choppy. More testing to do.

      To add them manually, you’ll need to first set an IP on each camera. This can be a pain since the default IP is 192.0.0.64 . The Hikvision utility is great for detecting the cameras and making network changes. You may need to change your subnet mask first though – something like 255.255.0.0 or 255.255.192.0 instead of 255.255.255.0 . If you have a 12V supply with the proper connector, you can try the Swann camera on the LAN side without a POE connection, and just use the power cable that comes out of the camera. The Swann cameras also use 12345 for the admin password instead of 000000.

      • 110 Kevin
        June 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        HI,
        Finally I had some time to add Swann cameras to my Lorex nvr but seem like they don`t want to record. Are there any other settings to change so Lorex nvr can record them?

      • 111 Kevin
        July 9, 2013 at 11:12 am

        Hi JC,
        I’m still trying to figure out how to make Lorex NVR to record Swann cameras. Are there any setting that needs to be changed?

        • July 9, 2013 at 12:34 pm

          If you change the Swann cameras’ passwords to 000000, the Lorex NVR will treat them like Lorex cameras.

        • 113 JC
          July 9, 2013 at 2:43 pm

          I haven’t had any issues getting the Swann’s to record. Does the NVR see the Swann cameras and is getting a feed? Did you change the password to 000000? I see that Costco has the Swann NVR package back in stock, but it’s not on sale – think it was $1199 – don’t think it’s worth another $350 over the Lorex, maybe $50. Actually, just checked, and it’s gone again – come on Costco…

          • 114 Kevin
            July 9, 2013 at 3:08 pm

            Yes I have changed the password but when I go to camera status it says Not Recording all other that are connected to the NVR are recording.

  37. 115 Toby
    May 30, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Hi All,

    These look really good for the price.

    Any idea of the distance you will likely be able to make out usable detail with during the day / night?

    Also, looking for an NVR to run these. Any recommendations?

    • 116 networkcameracritic
      May 30, 2013 at 11:05 pm

      In the U.S., Costco.com sells the NVR + 2TB hard drive + 4 of these cameras for $849 and that’s the best value. Looks like you are in Australia so not sure where you would get it there but Swann is based there so maybe call them for purchasing advice.

  38. 117 Brian Kelly
    May 31, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Great review… looking forward to buying a couple of these cameras. Living in MN, have you heard any pro/con regarding the below zero temps that we have every winter? I see it is rated to -4F but we can for sure dip below -10. Would they stop working? Any ideas as I cannot seem to find anything. Suppose I can contact the vendor directly as well. Thx

    • 118 networkcameracritic
      May 31, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      I wish I can tell you one way or the other as life in So Cal leaves little opportunity to test what happens to anything at -10F. I can tell you from my experience at our local mountains where temps do dip to say 10F and cameras not rated for even those temps do freeze. What happens is the camera stops working and then starts working again as temps warm up and some require manual rebooting. I see more than half the webcams in our mountain communities experience this after each cold snap.

  39. 119 John Williams
    June 1, 2013 at 4:35 am

    Networkcameracritic, have you dealt/heard about FYStore.com? They have the Hikvision DS-2cd2032 for a very reasonable price, $138.00 +$8.38 shipping.I am leery, the company is less than a year old, but internet searching hasn’t brought up anything bad.

    http://www.fystore.com/p373859/DS-2CD2032-I-Hikvision-camera-Network-IP-camera-w-IR-and-IP66-HD-IP-Camera-3MP-Mini-Bullet-Camera-W-3D-DNR-amp-DWDR-amp-BLC-CCTV-Camera.html

    Thanks for the blog, and your posts on other forums. You have helped a lot of people, including me.

    • 120 networkcameracritic
      June 1, 2013 at 7:30 am

      Not bad, but keep in mind, China Post can easily take a month to get to you and no tracking. I would upgrade to DHL even though it’s $32 which is a good price.

  40. 121 Emailausdrucker
    June 1, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I live in Canada and we have a very harsh winter. I remember -40f, when even school buses stopped going this winter.

    Do you think that the camera will just stop working and once it goes back to -10f start working again or will they break down earlier because of these harsh up n downs?

    • 122 networkcameracritic
      June 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      What’s great about -40 is you don’t even have to tell me if it’s Celsius or Fahrenheit since it’s the same -40. What I’ve seen in our local mountains where sometimes it gets down to 10F, is the cameras stop working but start again once the temps climb. Also, the cameras are rated at a starting temperature, but once running, these cameras get pretty warm and the heat the cameras generates may get you to a lower temp.

      Check out the 3MP ACTi D32, not much difference in price and is rated down to -40C/F. Or the E32 I reviewed, same sensor, just has the WDR feature.

      • 123 timb_yyc
        December 6, 2013 at 10:26 am

        I also live in Canada and the operating temperature of the Swann cameras was a big concern of mine. Last year, as a test, I had purchased a D-Link DCS-7010L and it stopped working at -10C/+14F. I am happy to report that last night (Dec 5, 2013), all four of my outdoor mounted Swann HD-820 cameras survived a balmy -30C/-22F. Yea, it’s time to book that vacation to Hawaii!

        Thank you for this site and all the information that it offers!

  41. June 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Yo JC….

    So You have confirmed the Swann cameras work but only with a POE switch and manually adding them to the Lorex…Correct? And you can access all cameras from the Lorex NetHD moble software? I also bought the Lorex and need 2 more cameras but Costco is sold out/.

    James

    • 125 networkcameracritic
      June 2, 2013 at 11:19 pm

      I do not know if it will work or not, but Costco has a good return policy if you run into problems.

    • 126 JC
      June 3, 2013 at 10:00 am

      I have the Lorex NVR package and a Swann camera two-pack. The only way I could get the Lorex cameras to work with the internal POE ports was to put them in plug & play mode. Nothing else seemed to work, and the Swann cameras didn’t work at all. If I used a POE switch on the external lan port, then I was able to manually add each of the Lorex and Swann cameras and they function normally. I have three Lorex and one Swann set up that way now. The only software I’ve tried so far is the NVR web page – haven’t looked at the mobile app yet. I assume you would need to punch a hole in the firewall and do some port forwarding for it to work correctly. Since the cameras are on the local lan, I also connect to them directly via the web and with IP Cam Viewer Pro on a tablet. I also pull snapshots every few seconds for a home automation program called Homeseer HSTouch.

      This is my first experience with a security NVR system, and I actually had an incident Friday night when some kids tried to syphon some gas from my car – pretty comical. I’m trying to go back now through the files to search for passing cars, but the Lorex software doesn’t seem to mark motion detection – I expected to see red marks on the blue timeline, but there is nothing. I’m now trying to use some other software to scan the capture files for motion and generate snapshots. iSpy seems like it may do what I want, but I haven’t found how to make it just scan the file instead of playing it back in real-time. If anyone knows of some software that can do this, please let me know.

      Thanks!

  42. June 3, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Thanks for the info JC….Can I have the 4 Lorex Cams in the POE ports then the other two swann bullets on the lan through a POE switch? or do I have to have all cameras into the POE switch? 4 or 8 port POE switch

    I have a SNAP AV Done camera and a cheap dAUHUA network cam that I am having trouble adding manually into the lorex…and tips….

    James

    • 128 JC
      June 4, 2013 at 10:33 am

      Yes, that seems to work fine – I connected another Lorex camera to the internal POE port 5, and it detected it and started working. I have 3 Lorex and one Swann on the external port through a POE switch. Other cameras may work on the external port if they are on the list of supported cameras or ONVIF capable – you could try changing the protocol and see if that helps. I don’t have any other cameras I can try at the moment.

  43. 129 chris
    June 4, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Hello,

    I am playing with ivms, is it possible to add the pcnvr server as the address so I can do remote playbacks etc?

    • 130 networkcameracritic
      June 4, 2013 at 8:51 am

      Played very briefly with ivms and pcnvr so can’t help you but others may have tried and used it.

    • 131 MW
      June 4, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      Using the configuration that JC describes above (with Lorex and Swann versions of camera connected to the Lorex NVR network port using standalone POE injectors/switch for the cameras), I was also able to get the Hikvision PCNVR software working with these cameras. Note you are not adding the PCNVR as a device to the Lorex NVR. Rather, you are adding the cameras to the Hikvision IVMS software which is also using the PCNVR software as a Storage Server. I could also view the Lorex NVR as a device (added like a camera rather than storage server) within the IVMS software in this scenario, so both the PCNVR and Lorex NVR were recording (they happened to be in different locations). Having said that, I think the Lorex NVR will be more reliable and more power friendly than using the PCNVR (in fact, even Hikvision has a white paper on this topic on their website), and while I haven’t experimented with it, the Lorex NVR seems to support writing to NAS devices as a backup (so I’m not sure I’d ever run a separate PCNVR as a backup).

      I doubt you could get the PCNVR working with these cameras if they are connected directly to the NVR POE block. In that instance the cameras run inside a different subnet and can only be controlled via the NVR (you’d need to configure port forwarding to even try to access the POE subnet and there is no mechanism to do that), and the software interface to the NVR (whether using Lorex version of IVMS or web interface to the NVR) seems to neuter some of the features actually supported by the camera firmware (e.g., ftp support).

      Other than having to buy separate POE injectors/switch, I prefer having the cameras accessible via the external network port. It gives me more flexibility in cabling (not everything home run back to NVR) and also provides additional flexibility in configuration. I understand Lorex not wanting to address these questions with their technical support, but I think that this feature/flexibility is a positive thing. It actually makes me more inclined to use the Lorex system if I’m not locked into a specific configuration. Like I said, I’d rather use a more specialized (likely more stable), more energy-efficient NVR than old Windows PC as a recording device, and for the additional $150 it’s a no-brainer.

      I was also able to get FTP working with the devices connected via the external network port. Of course, configuration of FTP must be done directly in each camera’s web interface or through the more general IVMS client software from Hikvision.

  44. 132 JC
    June 7, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    I got a notice that Scott Lamb left a comment, but I can’t seem to see it in the thread. He said he has the Lorex NVR and was able to get the Swann camera to work on the internal POE ports – just changed the password first – it’s 000000 for Lorex, and 12345 for Swann. Doh! I probably forgot to do that the first time I hooked it up ;) Good to hear the plug and play works for both. I need the cameras accessible to the NVR and other apps on the local network, so that’s why I had to use the external POE switch. I tried running a couple of the internal ports to a switch on the lan, but it acted very strange. The first port I hooked up hijacked one of the cameras and reset it to it’s own liking. I could see it on the lan, and the NVR seemed happy. When I connected the second port, it seemed to get completely confused, and eventually nothing showed up. Maybe it was causing some sort of network storm, as I later had issues with my SageTV boxes becoming jerky while streaming. After a few hours, the NVR started making a high-pitched noise like the alarm was going off – I didn’t have time to look at it, so I just turned it off. The next day I changed the configuration to use the external port only, and haven’t had any issues since. Looks like you can also use both internal and external at the same time with no issues. I’m also limited to whatever ethernet cables I currently have strung, as I had a bunch of insulation blown into the attic a while back, and can’t really climb around in there any more :( The external POE switches have been great in allowing me to run several cameras using just one line.

    • June 10, 2013 at 12:45 pm

      I’m not surprised you had trouble hooking two internal ports up to the external LAN for a couple reasons:

      First, you’re probably right that it caused a network storm. I doubt this thing supports Spanning Tree Protocol, so having two paths between network segments won’t work well. One connection should work better.

      Second, the NVR’s plug-n-play seems to assign cameras an address based on the internal switch port the camera is plugged into. So if you have two cameras on one internal NVR port (whether directly or by way of an external switch), I’d expect it to get confused.

      I’ve been able to stick a laptop on the NVR’s internal network segment, manually assign my computer an unused IP in its range, and connect directly to the cameras. So you probably could bridge or route between network segments if you do so carefully. I might end up routing their network segment to my other network so I don’t have to keep plugging into a weird place or changing my computer’s IP settings to adjust the camera settings.

      I’ve also been able to stream from the NVR via a URL like “rtsp://nvr.ip.goes.here:1025/PSIA/streaming/channels/X01″ where “X” is the camera number. I got that address by dumping network traffic with Wireshark while using the web interface. It seems flaky, though – more prone to skipping than directly connecting to the camera, and now I can’t get it to display at all in VLC anymore. I’m not sure what changed. VLC appears to have a stream open and is getting information but no window has popped up.

      I’m still not sure if I’ll keep the NVR. Several things seem a bit flaky about it. Right now I’m annoyed that the playback navigation controls are using inconsistent time zones or something. If I tell it to play at noon, it does so, but it tells me it’s playing at 1PM, even though that time hasn’t happened yet and the blue bar (correctly) indicates there’s no video at that time. It’s easier to show than describe: http://www.slamb.org/tmp/lorex-playback-incorrect-time.png

      • 134 MW
        June 10, 2013 at 2:40 pm

        I noticed the same timing issue while testing motion activated emails and alerts. As you say events happen at the correct time (I’d get an email picture indicating the camera had the correct time) but the email notification was off. Seems to be a bug in the firmware. At least though this was a consistent behavior (not arbitrary flaky). I’d think a firmware update from Lorex would be available sometime. It’s a pretty reproducible bug.

        Good idea about using computer to bridge the NVR POE subnet to the rest of your network.

      • July 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm

        The playback time thing appears to only affect the OS X plugin. The Windows plugin (run under VMware Fusion) and the OS X native client software both have working playback controls.

        I complained about the bug to the Lorex support people. It went like this:

        1. They closed my detailed online ticket (with screenshot, firmware version, web browser version, plugin version, etc.) right before it reached their 48 hour ticket SLA. They said you have to talk with their phone support people for anything complicated. Ugh, how backwards. I think this is just their way of pretending they resolve problems quickly even though the resolution is not satisfactory.

        2. I had to wait on hold for the phone support people – levels 1 and 2. The phone system uses different ticket numbers. They had no access to the online ticket so I had to explain everything again, and they knew nothing.

        3. I opened a second online ticket after that call, referencing the others. I updated it when I realized the Windows plugin works so this has to be the OS X plugin. They changed the category to “Tell us a story” and said they’d report back…and they closed it later saying there was a new version of the OS X plugin. Sounds great, except that the version number they mentioned was the same one I already tried.

        4. Now I have a third online ticket open.

        so I’d say reporting bugs to Lorex is pretty much hopeless. On the bright side, they pointed out the OS X client software. It does some things better than the web plugin, some worse.

    • 136 MW
      June 10, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      Clever. I tried adding the Swann’s to the NVR manually using both Lorex and ONVIF protocols using the 12345. I knew the plug and play wouldn’t work because of the different password on the Swann, but I never thought of changing the Swann password to 000000 and trying to add the camera via plug and play.

  45. 137 Dan
    June 7, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    For at least three years I have been considering home security cameras. Obviously in the intervening time the technology has changed. I first bought the Blue Iris software, then a Foscam 720P camera just to play with. Network Camera Critic and its review of the Swann cameras convinced me to buy two of the 4 mm Swann IP cameras from COSTCO. I bought an Acti E-33 based upon your review. They have performed as expected and have been the source of a great deal of learning (the cameras and various software programs). Through this web site I familiarized myself with Hikvision the producer of the Swann variant of the camera. I read all I could here, CCTV Forum, and the Hikvision web site. I started thinking further about my needs and determined that the 4mm lens would not suffice for all my needs. This along with the 3MP of the Hikvision camera started me looking seriously at the Hikvision DS-2CD2032-I as reviewed by Network Camera Critic. I tried to find a US based mail order company for Hikvision but had no luck, it was like the source of these cameras was a secret. No one could/would identify let alone recommend a US based supplier.

    I decided that I would try Aliexpress. I looked at their prices, it seemed even with the outrageous shipping I would save $25-30.00 per camera buying from them over COSTCO. In addition I would be able to choose the lens I wanted (6mm & 12mm). I would get the 3MP camera with the latest firmware direct from the manufacturer. I accepted the possibility of warrantee issues. For 4 cameras, the shipping was $128.00. I ordered them 5-29-12 with a note about the lenses that I wanted. The next day I received a confirming e-mail. The cameras were shipped 6-3-13 through Hong Kong via DHL. The cameras arrived 6-6-13. All cameras worked as expected. They were identifiable with the Hikvision SADP software and worked with Blue Iris as expected. The firmware version listed in cameras was
    5.0 130412.

    I was a bit concerned with the far away location of Aliexpress and their exorbitant shipping but overall I had a high degree of confidence of a positive outcome based upon others comments. To me, the benefits outweighed the risk. I only wish that there had been a reasonable and identifiable US supplier for these cameras. Thank you Network Camera Critic for giving us the information that allows interested buyers to make knowledgeable decisions.

    • 138 Ray
      June 10, 2013 at 6:51 am

      Hi Dan,

      Whereabouts do you live? I live in Canada and was contemplating dealing with Aliexpress to try out one of these Hikvisions. So just to confirm you took the cheapest option of shipping (by EMS) and still got it within 3 days from when shipment was made from China?

      I have had nothing but a terrible experience with the ip cameras from ESC :( so I might just go this route.

      Thanks.

      • 139 Dan
        June 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm

        Dates above are accurate. I believe I chose the least expensive shipping. I was expecting something other than DHL but that was who they chose to ship with. I am in the Central Florida area.

        • 140 Leo
          June 15, 2014 at 9:13 am

          Dan,

          You stated above that you ordered the cameras on 5-29-12, and the cameras were shipped on 6-3-13. Was that a typo on the year, or did it really take over a year for the cameras to be shipped? I sure hope that was a typo. :-)

  46. June 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Just got my Swan IP bullets today and cannot log in at all.
    Im using the default IP address of 192.168.0.64 and tried 192.0.0.64

    Camera is connected directly to my router with local power
    My Netgear router doesn’t see any new devices at all. Instruction say
    plug it into their NVR… What am I doing wrong? I have a POE switch
    on standby, waiting to open based on another reviewer say to change the
    default password to 000000 instead of 123456….

    Thanks for the help.

    • 142 JC
      June 8, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      The default IP should be 192.0.0.64 – you will need to be on the same subnet to see it. I originally used a laptop hooked to a switch with the camera, and set the laptop to 192.0.0.10 . You could also change your subnet mask to something like 255.255.0.0 or 255.255.192.0 and be able to see it. The Hikvision tools are great for locating the cameras and changing network settings – that’s what I use now after changing my subnet mask.

    • 143 Dan
      June 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm

      My Swann’s came from the factory with the proper default IP address and the default password 12345 (not 123456, which is the ACTI default password). I am no expert like others here, but I would use the default IP address in your browser. When the Swann page comes up enter admin as the user name and 12345 as the password. That has worked for me. From there I changed the IP address to an address closer to what my router uses (192.168.1.XXX)as Blue Iris seemed to like that address better than the default Swann IP address. Good luck.

  47. 144 Dan
    June 13, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    I have run across an issue with one of the Hikvision cameras I purchased from China. It still had the 4.0 firmware installed. When I tried to update the firmware to the 5.0 firmware, an error message appeared saying language mismatch or some such thing.

    As I had updated my Swann cameras to 5.0 I knew it was not a problem with the software from the USA site. I would assume that for the Hikvision Chinese cameras there is a 5.0 version somewhere on the web. Would any of you know where to find the location of this update. Unfortunately I do not read Mandarin so looking at the Hikvision China web site was no help to me. Thank you for any help that any of you might be able to give.

    • 145 Ed
      July 5, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      Did you get this firmware issue resolved? I would like to start with a single camera and grow my system from there and this seems like a viable option to me. And thanks to all for such an interesting read!

  48. 146 Ray
    June 18, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Will these cameras revert back to their original IP when unplugged? I need cameras just like this, but for my uses, they will be set up, record 3 to 6 hours of video and then the whole setup will be broken down. I don’t want to have to re-do IP addresses every time these are powered up and connected to the same wired network. Thanks for any help.

    • 147 networkcameracritic
      June 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm

      They are by default set to DHCP so it will get the IP address from the router you are connected to each time.

      • 148 Ray
        June 19, 2013 at 7:49 am

        You mention in the review that they come pre-set from the factory with an IP of 192.0.0.64 and that you had to alter your subnet mask to be able to locate them. For the sake of clarity, will the cameras revert to their original factory settings when used in the manner I describe above?

        Thank You

        • 149 networkcameracritic
          June 19, 2013 at 8:08 am

          Sorry, you are correct, you have to change the network settings to use DHCP so it’s automatic when you connect. Hikvision provides a program on a CD with the camera called SADP that enables you to find the camera and make these changes. Does not come with Swann or Lorex that I know of but maybe you can download it from Hikvision’s website.

  49. 150 HeadInSand
    June 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Hello,

    Great website. Thanks so much for the outstanding reviews.

    I think I’m about to pull the trigger on about 8 of these cameras. Unfortunately, Costco is out of both the Swann and Lorex branded versions of these. However, Lorex is currently offering pairs (LNB2151-2PK) directly on their website for $382, which isn’t too bad for those who don’t want to wait for Costco to get them back in stock.

    I was hoping to sanity check my setup before moving forward:

    -Blue Iris running on a dedicated i7 of some sort with adequate storage
    -ZyXEL ES1100-16P Unmanaged 10/100Mbps 16-port PoE Switch (8 PoE ports)
    -4x LNB2151-2PK

    My biggest concern is ensuring that the Lorex version of this camera will indeed work with Blue Iris. As someone else above already mentioned, they’re adamant, including the guy on the phone, that these things only work with their NVR. I’m pretty sure they’re just saying that to cover their butts, but was hoping for some confirmation here before pulling the trigger.

    Thanks.

    • 151 networkcameracritic
      June 18, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Thanks for updating us where to get the cameras as Costco is not known for offering the same item for too long. I tested the Swann version with BlueIrisny specifying Hikvision and had no problems. Actually, the recorded video was done by BlueIris. If you are getting a new PC, look for one with the Haswell i7 chip that replaced Ivy Bridge because it’s so supposed to be more energy efficient. The switch is excellent, I use it myself. I got the 8 port version and ironically, it’s much larger and poorly laid out.

  50. 152 tbone
    June 19, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I figured out how to enable motion detection via email in the camera’s web interface (no NVR). You have to explicitly specify the IPv4 gateway and DNS servers. Only then will the email settings work.

  51. 153 David
    June 20, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Hi,

    Thanks so much for these reviews! Very helpful! I’m thinking about buying 2 of these bad boys. I’m only interested in image quality and price…don’t need any other bells and whistles. Given these parameters, would you say these Swann cams represent the best bang for the buck? Also, could you recommend the best dome cam…considering same.

    Thanks in advance for your opinion!
    Dave

    • 154 networkcameracritic
      June 20, 2013 at 8:02 am

      These are a good value. A good dome is the Axis P3387-VE or Mobotix D15, the ones I would get if money was no object.

  52. 155 Ray
    June 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Can these cameras be mounted on tripods? I’m going to buy the hikvision version, but no where in their data sheet or manual does it say.

    • 156 networkcameracritic
      June 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm

      They don’t have traditional mounting holes as most people want the cleaner look where the wire comes out through an integrated mount. But with duct tape, anything is possible.

  53. 157 notchy
    June 23, 2013 at 6:31 am

    I have a question in regards to installation of this under the ease of my garage overhang. Could anyone chime in on how to remove the eaves so I can do a couple of things.

    1. install a 2X4 for to mount the camera to it if there is no wood in that area.

    2. I would then run the cat5e ethernet wire into my garage which leads to my basement where I have my switch.

    I have a link to pics.

    2 – pics shows the close up of where I wanted to mount the camera (circled in RED)and the other pic is a bigger shot of the house and the location of where I would mount it (circled in RED).

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/l8zu.jpg/

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/ir6i.jpg/

  54. 158 Ray
    June 25, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Other than lack of warranty support, what other limitations might I encounter if I were to attempt to use the hikvision camera below in the U.S.?

    http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7361

    • 159 networkcameracritic
      June 25, 2013 at 7:35 am

      Why would you not get warranty and support from Hikvision? They have offices in Los Angeles. As long as you buy from an authorized dealer in the U.S.

      • 160 Ray
        June 25, 2013 at 8:36 am

        The particular model of camera, the DS-2CD855-EI3(EI5) is not sold here. At least it’s not on Hikvision’s US website. This is the camera I need though. 1080p, Good night vision, POE, h.264, and it can be mounted on a tripod. Plus, the price is right. I intend to use these for paranormal investigations, so they have to be tripod mountable and great with IR.

      • 161 Ray
        June 25, 2013 at 8:48 am

        I’m interested in the DS-2CD855-EI3(EI5), which is not shown on Hikvision’s US website. If ordered through Aliexpress, I assume I would be forfeiting the warranty.

        • 162 networkcameracritic
          June 25, 2013 at 10:41 am

          The person selling it should warranty it but costs and time to ship defective cameras back to mainland China may exceed it’s value.

  55. 163 David
    June 30, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Thanks for the wonderful blog. I was wondering if you and others could post a picture of how you’re mounting the camera to your house. It seems to be one of the steps least documented for the installation of ip cameras.

    Thanks!

  56. 164 Dan
    July 2, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I have mounted this Hikvision 6mm camera under my eves on the aluminum soffit. As soffit is always a bit flimsy, the camera is backed up by a solid four switch size, plastic switch plate from Lowe’s. The plate is drilled with a hole large enough to feed the Hikvision connector through. The plate is attached by self tapping screws. The mounting is solid enough for a small camera such as this but I would not want to attach any larger camera without a more substantial backing plate.

    http://i39.tinypic.com/i5528p.jpg

  57. 167 Ty
    July 3, 2013 at 6:13 am

    Looks like these are available on Costco Canada now: http://www.costco.ca/Swann%E2%84%A2—1080p-2-Pack-HD-NVR-IP-Bullet-Cameras.product.100055327.html?catalogId=11201&keyword=Swann+1080p+2+Pack+HD&langId=-24&storeId=10302

    I purchased them a couple months ago on Costco.com. I am VERY happy with them so far.

  58. 168 Jim
    July 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Just received two DS-2CD2032-I cameras from ZhiWen Security Store on aliexpress.com. Took about a month to arrive but the price was right ($242 for both and free shipping). The images are fantastic. Thanks to everyone for the reviews and comments .. really helped in selecting an IP camera.

    I am currently upgrading from q-see analog cameras and dvr I got from Costco a few years ago. Since I could not determine what NVR to get I got a HP computer with an i7 processor instead.

    I am trying to decide what NVR software to use. I have tried Blue Iris,Axxon Next, and Milestone. I am leaning towards Axxon Next. So far these cameras seem to work with the Axxon software. Anything I should watch out for?

    • 169 Notchy
      August 9, 2013 at 4:56 am

      I just received my DS-2CD2032-I cameras which I ordered off of Aliexpress. Melinda was helpful thanks for the recommendation.

      I have a question. I noticed the overlay on the camera in “LiveView” has chinese characters.
      Does anyone know how to get rid of it?

      • 170 networkcameracritic
        August 9, 2013 at 8:18 am

        You got the Chinese version of the camera, future firmware has to come from China, U.S. firmware won’t load on it. You can remove this by going to Advanced Configuration -> Image -> OSD Settings and un-check Display Name.

  59. 172 JC
    July 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Is the recording schedule for that camera different, or is it set for motion instead of continuous?

    • 173 Kevin
      July 10, 2013 at 6:57 am

      It’s set to motion detection. Schedule – Alarm Template. Motion Detection is set to All-day Template. All other cameras are set the same way. I tried with continuous with the same result. Do you think there are any settings in the camera not in NVR that need to be changed?
      I`ll connect today one more Swann camera to see if there is any difference.

  60. July 14, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Hi, thank you for posting about this camera. I’m a newbie with these and I hope you can help.
    I purchased these a while back but now have the time to install.

    I have a POE TrendNet TPE S44
    I connect the IP Camera to it and the IR lights go on for for 10 seconds maybe, then they go of.
    (it’s dark in the room). then after about a minute the IR lights go on again and off again and so on. and the camera gets hot.

    I have a NetGear router and under Attached Devices it won’t even list the camera.
    Why would the IR lights go on and off?

    • 175 networkcameracritic
      July 15, 2013 at 8:56 am

      Did you try unplugging all other cameras from the switch to see if it still does it? That switch has a 30W aggregate max, meaning if you plug 4 equal cameras into it, each one can have a max of 7.5W at the switch. At the camera, with power losses on the cable, you may be left with 6.5W which is marginal for many IR cameras. This is why I recommend people buy switches that are full power on each port.

      • 176 Donnie
        July 15, 2013 at 9:05 am

        I spent 3 hours last night on this lol and got nowhere. I disconnected all cameras and had just this one and after some time it did stay on (IR lights were on all time) what I think I need is the tools you guys are referring to to scan for this camera, the Config tool. I couldn’t find it on the Hikvision site.
        Also, what is the web-view link for this camera?
        and last question, username password is admin/123456 right?

  61. 178 Dave Zeno
    July 15, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Hi guys,

    Anyone know where you get software to run these cams ? nothing came with my cameras, I’m wondering where the owner got the software he shows up above ?

    I cannot find the cameras even using the supplied default IP address.

    I’d love to try this software if possible.

    Thanks to anyone reading this.

    Dave.

    • 179 networkcameracritic
      July 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      The software came with my Hikvision camera on a CD, doesn’t come with Swann or Lorex versions. This is to find the camera and then set a new IP address in your network. Then you can just use your browser to connect to the cameras. You can even have the camera record to an NFS NAS.

  62. 180 Dave Zeno
    July 16, 2013 at 6:15 am

    Hi, I downloaded the software after I wrote this on the forum, ( the iVMS-4000 software you mentioned ) I’m assuming this is not the software you are using up above, it doesn’t look like it at all.

    I ran the iVMS-4000 software, and used the built-in online device monitor to try and see my new cameras, and nothing is showing up, I even directly input the 162.0.0.64 setting into IE, Firefox and Chrome to no avail, it won’t pick up the cameras. I re-read your intro, and you said something about changing the subnet setting in order to get it to work, does this mean the device finder will not pick up the cameras, unless you change a setting ? This is a a bit over my head, but I’m hoping you can help, or anyone else who has the time, thank you !

    Dave.

    • 181 networkcameracritic
      July 16, 2013 at 7:51 am

      Did the software I provided the link to not work? There is another way, it’s more of a pain but it will work. Changed you PC to a fixed IP in the camera’s subnet, like 192.0.0.65. Then access the camera via your web browser as 192.0.0.64, log in with admin/12345 and change the camera’s IP address to your normal subnet for your home network, like 192.168.1.64. Then change your PC networking back to the way it was before and you are done.

      • 182 Dave Zeno
        July 16, 2013 at 8:05 am

        The LINK to the software worked, I downloaded it, just to clarify it’s iVMS-4000, when I actually open the software, and ask it to look for any cameras, nothing at all shows up. Very strange. This software, supposedly will pick up this Swann camera. Perhaps I’m using the wrong software, I had to log in using admin and 000000 to get into that software, and using the 12345 doesn’t work, so that is puzzling to me.

        I did a google on how to set a subnet, I’ll have to do more research on this, but it seems very daunting. If I reset a subnet, does that mean my whole network will go wonky and other users ( I have about 5 people on my network at times ) will this screw up their wifi connections I’m wondering.

        • 183 networkcameracritic
          July 16, 2013 at 8:27 am

          The software should be SADP, not iVMS-4000 and it’s very easy to use, just run it and looks for all Hikvision made cameras.

          • 184 Dave Zeno
            July 16, 2013 at 8:37 am

            Hi again, hmm I never saw this software mentioned in our conversation, darn it.

            I’d be super happy if you can give me a link to that, thank you if you can ! I’d be very happy indeed.

            So this iVSM-4000 is NOT the software to use ? I’m totally puzzled because over on CCTVForum many are talking about using that software, ok this is very confusing.

            thank you if you can send me a link to that software !

          • 185 networkcameracritic
            July 16, 2013 at 8:52 am

            It’s here on this forum for WrightwoodSurveillance, you may have to register to download – http://www.wrightwoodsurveillance.com/forum/thread-6.html Look under Hikvision, SADP.zip is there. This is from the CD that came with the camera.

          • 186 Dave Zeno
            July 16, 2013 at 9:17 am

            Well… that worked !

            I see the camera I have installed ! … THANKS !

            Funny thing – the ip address of the cam is:
            192.168.1.6

            I did nothing but run that program. I read many times the default IP address for these cameras was 192.0.0.64

            In theory, if that was the case, wouldn’t simply entering 192.0.0.64 into any web browser just open the camera’s web interface ?

            also, when I tried just now to enter that 192.168.1.6 ( which the software sees the camera’s IP as… will not load on any browser I just tried ( Chrome, IE, Opera, and even Firefox ) …. I don’t understand that at all, for a non-network guy it’s very confusing.

          • 187 networkcameracritic
            July 16, 2013 at 9:26 am

            I take it your PC is on the same 192.168.1.xx subnet (you can go into a CMD window on Windows and enter ipconfigure and it will show you the IP address for your network adapter). While there, try ping 192.168.1.6 to make sure you can get to it. If you can get to it, your PC is on the same network, then it gets more complicated as they may have used a non-standard port number (not 80), then you you’ll need to run a port scan on that IP address. I use nmap, free software to run port scans and network scans, not the most intuitive but designed more for hackers than most people.

  63. 188 Notchy
    July 16, 2013 at 8:34 am

    I finally have the Swann camera’s from Costco. I was able to configure them using the software from Hikivision’s website.

    I have 2 – Wanscam JW0004 IP cameras already setup with Blue Iris Software.

    I tried and was successful adding the Swann IP camera but what did everyone select Swann or Hikivision for the IP camera?

    Also I am noticing the Swann IP camera looses signal and not sure why.

    I have it temporarily hooked up to an RJ45 and using a 12 Volt /1500mA universal power supply with a 2.1mm plug.

    Hopefully someone can assist me in what is wrong.

  64. 189 Dave Zeno
    July 16, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    I guess I have more problems than I thought…. for some reason, that nice software ( Hikvision, SADP ) detected the camera on an old laptop running Windows XP ( and on my WiFi network ) however a much newer laptop running Windows 7 refuses to show the cameras, then I tried it on yet another laptop that is hard wired to my network and it also sees NO camera. ( I’m taking about the software you suggested I install and I saw one of my cameras for the first time ) ( I only have 1 cam plugged in at the moment ) I turned off ZoneAlarm on those 2 laptops that can’t see the camera listed, and still no cameras show. I turned ZoneAlarm off, then re-started that SADP program to insure it was a fresh start without ZoneAlarm running.

    So at this point I have no clue what I’m doing. As for the IPconfig thing, I just am not a network savvy person and don’t understand it.

    • 190 networkcameracritic
      July 16, 2013 at 12:41 pm

      Are you a smartphone/tablet savvy person? Install a free app called Fing on Android or IOS and connect your phone/tablet to your WiFi network. It will tell you all devices on your network. As for Windows 7, it can be problematic if you run IE 10. If you see broken page icon on top, to the right of where you enter the website address, then there’s something wrong. Clicking on that icon will put the browser in compatibility mode and works for me. If you run ipconfig command on Windows, it will show you something like this.

      C:\Users\carl>ipconfig

      Windows IP Configuration
      Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:
      Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
      Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
      Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:
      Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : gateway.2wire.net
      Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::7d8a:520a:f5fe:3ab0%11
      IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
      Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
      Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

      The item to the right of IPv4 Address is the IP address of your PC, in my case, 192.168.0.2, the first 3 numbers is your subnet, your camera needs to be in the same subnet, like 192.168.0.3 in my case. Also the Default Gateway and Subnet Mask are very important and should be used when setting up your camera’s fixed IP address.

      • 191 Dave Zeno
        July 17, 2013 at 8:16 am

        Hi again, when you want to see your camera in your browser, do you have to do a :80 at the end of the address in your browser bar ?

        you said in the browser it is on port 80,

        so in your case your camera is 192.168.0.3, so would you put

        “192.168.0.3:80″ and this is how you input it ?

        thank you for any help.

        • 192 networkcameracritic
          July 17, 2013 at 8:36 am

          80 is the default in any web browser, so you don’t have to put it, but putting it in doesn’t hurt.

          • 193 Dave Zeno
            July 20, 2013 at 7:31 am

            heh, that sounded like a naughty joke there :-)

            Still haven’t had any success with the cameras, but I’ll be trying over the weekend. I do appreciate your help !

  65. 194 Glen
    July 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I just purchased a Lorex 8 camera system with DVR that is expandable to 16 cameras (LH010H ECO BLACKBOX SERIES). I need to purchase additional cameras and can do so through the Lorex site, but Swann cameras available through the radio shack site are less expensive and from reading these posts, there may be several other options. Is Swann, Lorex and Hikivision cameras all compatible? What about a camera with better resolution?

    • 195 networkcameracritic
      July 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      The cameras that I review are called network or IP cameras and are very different than what you have which is an analog system. With analog, the cameras generic with a sensor with minor electronics with a wire, so all you need is another analog camera, who makes it, Sony, Pelco, Swann doesn’t really matter. Come back here when you are ready to upgrade to something a whole lot better.

  66. 196 Dave Zeno
    July 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Well, I’m getting somewhere, I decided to remove that software, and re-install. This time I opted for that second part of the software, the winPcap portion of the install, this time I let it install, and bingo, the cameras showed up on one of my laptops where the cameras would not show up before. Doh ! It seems this WinPcap is a MUST part of the install. I had read that it was spyware on several sites so opted not to install it. Doh again.

    I also decided to install the demo version of Blue Iris. It’s too bad it doesn’t have an auto-sniffer to sniff out my 2 cameras, … I tried to get one of the cameras working but I don’t know what info to put in. As a fefault my cams say they are both on port 8000, ( according to the SADP program ) …

    what port, and what general settings should be input into the Blue Iris program other than the iP address ? ( I have no clue ) … Blue Iris defaults to port 80, which I”m sure is not correct.

    I’m slowly getting somewhere, with a lot of time invested, and your help, so thank you !

    P.S. – iVMS now sees both of my cameras ! ( because of installing that WinPcap portion of the install ) …. it auto-dectecs both cameras, however, it gives me an “Error 7″ when I try to view the camera in one of the preview frames. I tried to find info on this in their help file and there is nothing to be found.

    • 197 networkcameracritic
      July 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm

      Yes, Hikvision sees those cameras as port 8000, don’t know what that means because clearly you can access the cameras via the browser on port 80. On BlueIris, just select Hikvision RTSP and chose port 80, rtsp port 554 (both should be defaults).

  67. 198 charlie
    July 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    The COSTCO booklet arrived in the mail listing this package: http://www.costco.com/Lorex-8-Channel-Full-HD-Real-Time-PoE-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-6-1080p-Cameras.product.100048576.html … I’m guessing the bullets are the ones discussed here, true? Do you have some info on the domes? For $1k/US it looks like a pretty good deal. Do they detect motion? There have been some thefts on my street and I hope this would help us to keep an eye on things.

    Thanks for the BLOG. It has been a great, “unbiased-by-advertisers” source of info.

  68. 202 Kevin
    July 28, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Any idea what setting I have wrong that could give horrible night quality for a Hikvision 2cd-2032 bullet camera? Foscam in the same area looks great. It is extremely grainy/noisy. I’m using BI, but it looks bad directly from the camera too. Thanks!

  69. 204 Heidi
    July 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Received the two pack of these Swann camera’s in the mail from Costco.com. I managed to install them and they run fine with my trial version of Blue Iris. I tried a manual recording from the Browser and the file was saved in a .MP4 format… however I am not able to play it with any of the players (Quicktime, Windows Media Player or Real Player) on my system. Do you know which program will play these files? Thanks!

    Actually, my long term goal would be to have the camera record video to FTP when triggered without software (like Blue Iris running…) maybe asking for too much? :-)

    • 205 networkcameracritic
      July 29, 2013 at 12:36 am

      BlueIris has different recording options but the default is bvr and it’s propriatory but you can export from the playback screen, works really well.

  70. 206 Kevin
    July 29, 2013 at 5:29 am

    Well crap. I already had it set low. Turning off didn’t help. Very disappointing considering how great the day images look and how good my Foscam night images appear. Is it possible that it’s just the higher resolution making it seem noisier? Also, my setup has no ambient light like your example video. Maybe that’s the difference. What’s my next camera option that would have better night vision? Thanks!

    • 207 networkcameracritic
      July 29, 2013 at 8:48 am

      People have different interpretations of what makes a good night image. If you think excellent noise reduction is important, consider Dahua, their cameras have very good noise reduction. But the compromise is loss of detail which for me is more important than a good picture.

  71. 208 Heidi
    July 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Thanks for the info on file formating with Blue Iris, will try that.

  72. August 1, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Greetings tNNC
    A bit of background, we have children, pets and live in a 3000sqft home. Our goals are multipurpose: Keep track of the kids, when they are outside, keep track of the pets and nighttime surveillance when things go bump. We live in town of a large city, and there tends to be an uptick in crime during the evenings.
    I was searching for information on Costco surveillance systems specifically the Lorex IP Camera system (http://www.costco.com/.product.100048576.html), I believe an 8 camera setup would be sufficient.
    I have spent a fair bit of time looking at the various options and I think selecting a POE system is both cost effective and better long term for upgrades. when comparing systems is there a downside to POE. I see SDI is popular?
    Further considerations, I believe that a 1080p camera correctly positioned will allow me to see the level of detail for entrance locations (thanks to your Swann article btw) I could not discern the difference between the 720p and 1080p is there a significance I should consider, is it worth the cost differential?
    I’ll need to be buy a couple extra cameras and I notice there is both a 2.1 mega pixel and 3.0 available, (Q) Does that really mean I will be able to zoom in a bit more than others?
    The DVR I am considering is the Lorex LNR200 and I understand that’ll I use all the ports up with Cameras. Is there any way to add more wifi internal camera’s that your aware of for monitoring?
    Thanks,

    • 210 networkcameracritic
      August 1, 2013 at 8:27 am

      That Lorex deal from Costco is a good deal. The domes that people have been getting are an old design from Hikvision (the manufacturer) and may be worth waiting for the design, on the downside, the special is only for another week or so. 1080P is 2MP, 720P is 1MP, and the actual Hikvision versions of these cameras are 3MP. The higher the resolution, the more detail, for example, someone’s head should at least 85 pixels tall to identify them, or about 100 pixels per foot. If you have 3MP vs 1MP, it’s about twice as many pixels tall, meaning you the subject can be twice as far and still identify him. My experience in my driveway with a 4mm lens as an example, with a 3MP camera I can ID someone at end of my driveway, a 1MP at the middle of my driveway and 1080P somewhere in between. As for 8 channels, that’s it, no 9th camera no matter how clever you are, the NVR won’t let you add more. They have a 16 channel version, actually about the same price, but without the built in PoE, so you would have to add PoE switches.

      • August 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm

        Thanks for the overview.. reading a few more articles and checking out CCTV one question how easy would it be to change out the lens on the Cameras I am purchasing? Is there any downside to this? Also based on your comments in this article it looks like, the Costco cameras, maybe the Hikivision? Also is there a way to interface directly with the camera from another recording source i.e. Can I use a 2nd source for recording such as a NAS ( for instance because I want to record @ 3mp).

        Thx!

        • 212 networkcameracritic
          August 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm

          The lens is glued in place but people have done it. It’s very hard to do as you have to find a lens that is the same size so it fits, not just M12, but the same length as clearly a lens that’s too long will not fit, one that is too small will cause really bad IR light bleed. Also, just because it’s the same size, does not mean it will focus, meaning the new lens may not screw in far enough to focus. So it’s a science experiment.

          The Costco.com Swann or Lorex are the same physical camera as the Hikvision but with Swann or Lorex firmware so not sure what the capability differences are other than 1080P vs. 3MP. With the Hikvision branded NVR and cameras you can record at the full 3MP. You can also use the method I described in my recent article on how to write from Hikvision cameras to a NAS via NFS.

  73. 213 Dave Zeno
    August 1, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Hi everyone, well with the help of the owner of NetworkCameraCritic, I was able to get my 2 cameras running ! I’m super happy with the quality of these cams. Just amazing.

    I have a good question, hopefully not too dopey in nature.

    I currently have my cams hooked to my home network, but they seem to slow down my network, so I was thinking…

    Can I take a laptop that I no longer use, turn the WiFi to off, and then use an old router that I no longer use, and turn that laptop into some sort of monitoring station ?

    I am NOT sure if I even need the router ( if for example I wished to only use 1 camera in this setup )

    Is it possible to hook this or any IP camera up DIRECTLY to a laptop using its Ethernet port ?

    To clarify – this laptop is NOT connected to the internet, or any network, or router.

    So – a setup, where the IP cam connects directly to the laptop
    OR
    The IP camera ( or both ) connect to an old router ( then that router is connected to the laptop via ethernet cable ) ( and all of this equipment is NOT connected to any home network, or Internet )

    So basically it is strictly a monitoring system for within my home.

    I have no clue if this would work, it is is a nutty idea or what.

    Any insight would be great, thank you again owner of this website for all the help !

    Dave.

    • 214 Dave Zeno
      August 2, 2013 at 8:29 am

      oops, I guess this question was off-base. Was it that dopey ?

    • August 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      The cameras don’t need to be Internet-connected. An isolated network would work if correctly configured.

      As for connecting a camera directly to a laptop: it can be done. But your laptop’s Ethernet port won’t supply power. (At least I’ve never heard of one that does.) So you would need to try out the camera’s separate power cable. (I don’t see mention of a power-over-Ethernet switch, so maybe you’re doing that already.) You also may need to make or buy a crossover Ethernet cable, depending on if your laptop supports “auto-crossover”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable

      But you have two of these cameras? Your laptop probably has only one Ethernet port, so more realistically you’ll want to connect the cameras and laptop to a switch. One built in to an old router could work, but again you’d probably need to supply external power. A PoE switch might be less hassle. I appreciate having just one cable running to each camera.

      Regarding slowness, I have a bunch of questions. How have you noticed them slowing down your existing network? Is this when connecting within the house via wired? via wireless? when connecting to Internet sites? what are the speeds you see before and after? Do you have your computer set up to continuously record from the cameras, or do you just view them occasionally? Does the slowness happen all the time or just while you are viewing the cameras? Is the computer doing the recording/viewing the same one you are noticing being slow? Are you connecting to the cameras via a wireless network? Do you know if your wired and wireless networks are bridged or not?

      In theory the cameras do slow down the network all the time by sending out some broadcast packets, but I doubt it’s enough to notice under most circumstances. I could more easily see things not going well while you are trying to view them through a slow wireless connection or from outside the house via a slow Internet connection.

  74. 216 Chuck
    August 1, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Looking into getting the Swann version of the Hikvision and I’m told that the Swann is not the same quality as the Hikvision, e.g., cheap aluminum housing, no CAT5e connection but rather BNC for coax. Is this misinformation?
    Really appreciate the review. Very well done, as well as the support you offer. – Thanks

    • 217 networkcameracritic
      August 1, 2013 at 10:53 am

      Swann and Hikvision make many cameras so you could be comparing an analog system with coax to a network camera with Ethernet. The camera tested here is Swann branded with Swann firmware, but I’ve had both brands they are the same for this model.

  75. 218 Tony F
    August 2, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Evening folks,
    First of all, thanks for this review and discussion. It’s truly one of the very few places where one can find information on this topic. So, having said that, I have a few questions of my own. Here’s my setup

    8 of these cameras (SWANN, from CostCo. still boxed)
    Synology NAS, 3 TB on a Hybrid Raid, NFS ready (or so I think… LOL)
    Cisco 24 port PoE switch, (only 12 of them are PoE @ 15.4W) Total: 100 Watts of Power
    Planning on using Blue Iris software and app for iOS devices
    An adequate PC (i7 Quad Core CPU @ 3.5Ghz, 16 GB RAM, SSD and SATA internal drives)

    Now, I have an IT background, but I am new to surveillance over IP, so my questions are:

    1- If I use the “Save to NFS NAS” procedure you describe above, for all 8 cameras (each one of them having their own folder), and adopt the host of subsequent settings that are native to the camera (also as described above). Once I install BlueIris on my PC: Won’t it try to record too, being that it is an NVR software? In that case, where will the recording take place? PC or NAS? Will I have a choice?
    2- Is Blue Iris capable of saving to a NAS in an mp4 format? BTW, Windows Media Player filters are posted in the Hikvision website, for those interested.
    3- Will BlueIris truly work like an NVR, i.e. seeing all individual cameras as ONE group, and let me configure DDNS for this group, with the purpose of remote viewing?

    Your help will be much appreciated.
    Thanks

  76. 219 Tony F
    August 3, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Good morning,

    First, I want to thank the host of this blog, as it provides invaluable information on the Surveillance over IP topic. I have a few questions of my own, and I would like your opinion.

    Here is my setup:
    - 8 of the reviewed cameras (from CostCo.)
    - 1 Cisco 24-port switch (12 PoE ports @ 15.4W, Total Power: 100W)
    - 1 Synology NAS (3TB SHR), NFS ready.
    - I intend on using BlueIris software, and its app for iOS devices
    - 1 adequate PC (Intel i7 Quad Core CPU @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, SSD @6Gb/s)

    I was not interested in getting the Swann NVR as all reviews I have read online complain about how noisy it is, and I am not a fan of unnecessary noise. Also, my ultimate goal is to conceal this installation, which you can’t do with a noisy NVR running.

    My questions are mainly on the BlueIris (BI hereon) software:
    1- If my plan is to record directly from the camera using the native settings to save to an NFS NAS as describe here. Once I install the BI software. Won’t BI try to do the recording too, being that it is an NVR software?
    2- Will I have a choice to not do the recording through BI, but point to the existing files? Does BI support saving to an NFS NAS if given the right path? I intend on saving every camera files into a separate folder (named Camera_01, 02, etc)
    3- HikVision posted some WMP filters in their website for playback of their resulting files. Will BI play these files well? Say mp4, for example.
    4- Will BI treat these 8 cameras as a group and allow me to configure DDNS for this group, with the purpose of remote viewing?

    Your input in regards to this matter will be much appreciated. I have an IT background and know my way about networks, servers, etc, but surveillance over IP falls under the “uncharted territory” category at the moment.

    Thanks

    • 220 networkcameracritic
      August 3, 2013 at 11:05 am

      So you have a bunch of solutions. You can use the Synology NAS as an NVR using the included Surveillance Station app (recently reviewed). You can write to NFS (has to be installed on Synology) and record directly to it from each camera individually or you can use BlueIris. You sort of have to pick one. Recording from the same camera to multiple sources can cause issues. So here’s my take on each solution;
      1. Synology, cost about $350 for the 8 cameras for Surveillance Station licenses, NAS is multifunctional, does just about anything any NVR solution would do, has free smartphone apps. The biggest downside for me was that it was sluggish. Can view live and recordings from all cameras at the same time. No PC needed. Local and remote access is the same as it operates via the browser the same way. So you get the same complete experience if you are at a cafe in Paris or at home.
      2. Record direct from camera, install NFS for free on Synology, cameras record to NFS, viewing and playback is one camera at a time. Web based interface from home or remote. Since you have 8 cameras, you can try their free iVMS software to view all the cameras at once. I have not tried it, so can’t share details.
      3. BlueIris, costs $50, $10 for smartphone app. Good NVR solution, can only write to the C drive (no multidrive or NAS support). Can archive old recordings via FTP to the NAS, but not visible from BlueIris after that. You can chose the recording format in BlueIris, if you use their format, you can view and record at the same time, if you chose a different format like mp4, you can’t view and record at the same time. Can view multiple cameras at the same time, but recordings play back only one camera at a time. Biggest downside is you’ll need a dedicated PC with an i7 processor to handle 8 1080P cameras at their full frame rate. Their software runs on the PC, the remote access is via smartphone apps or their web interface which is not the full product, it’s a very simplified view of the cameras and a list of recently recorded events. It’s very fast, but on the other hand, not complete.

      I would suggest you try all 3 as BlueIris has a 14 day trial, Synology includes a free single camera license for Surveillance Station and you can do the NFS recording. Don’t do this all at the same time as you may get choppy video, lost events and such. DDNS is setup for a site, meaning you don’t setup DDNS for each device. You use port numbers to distinguish between devices. So your NAS, PC, cameras, if you want them all to be individually accessed remotely you’ll need to setup the port numbers to be different but if you just want to access them via their NVR software, you only need to configure ports for the NVR.

      • 221 Tony F
        August 3, 2013 at 4:55 pm

        Thanks for the prompt reply, my man. As you see I got antsy and posted the same questions twice. I apologize for being impatient.

        After perusing the iVMS manual, I think I will go with that option first. I will do the recording via iVMS. They do support saving to a NAS and remote access through DDNS. They also have free apps and it is compatible with iPad first generation and iPhone 5 altogether. It will probably tax my PC’s CPU, but that’s what it’s there for, right? Total cost of that solution is only $40, going towards a DynDNS Pro 2-year account. That’s better than $60 that BI would cost without iPad first generation support, which I need for now.

        The fact that BI can save to C only kills it for me. My C drive is a 128 GB SSD, with 5 other drives installed (4 internal, 1 external), plus a NAS. So, I thank you so very much for that info. It would have sucked to find that out after spending the $50.

        At any rate, I will write back letting you know how my implementation went.

      • 222 R. Mason
        August 6, 2013 at 9:48 am

        I would also look at Milestone as a solution. This is a corporate solution, however they offer a free full featured version that is limited to 8 cameras. This has web based and phone based remote viewing/playback and has a ton of features. Check them out
        http://www.milestonesys.com/Software/XProtect-IP-Video-Surveillance/xprotectgo/

        We use the XprotectGo here with Five 3Mp cameras (Dahua,Ubiquiti and Hikvision) of all the cameras by far the best is the HiKVision DS-2CD2132-I that we use indoors and outdoors.

  77. 225 Kevin
    August 4, 2013 at 7:11 am

    FYI. I have my BI set to save all clips and archives directly to a non C drive. It all writes directly to my “K” drive which is an external HDD.

  78. 227 Heidi
    August 4, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    I save my New Clips, Alerts and Long Term Storage via Blue Iris to my Synology NAS. It works fine and I can set each to be different drives/locations.

    • 228 networkcameracritic
      August 5, 2013 at 10:00 am

      Once you save it to NAS, can you reference the video from the BlueIris timeline?

      • 229 Heidi
        August 6, 2013 at 12:45 am

        Yes, I can see all the clips that have been recorded on my NAS in the timeline and I can view them too. It’s the same as if it were on the C Drive. Blue Iris defaults to whatever drive and directory you save the clips to for viewing.

  79. 230 Tony F
    August 5, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Also Heidi. I am interested in knowing, how you’re doing this? Via NFS, or you simply mapped a drive letter to your NAS and used that letter? The question is, does BI support network drives at all?

    • 231 Heidi
      August 6, 2013 at 12:50 am

      Tony F, It can be done either way. I have mapped a directory from my NAS to a drive letter and I can reference it in Blue Iris. But what’s easier for me is when browsing your computer to select the drive you’ll be storing the clips to, I click on the “My Computer” Icon, then go down to “Network” and at that point my NAS will be visible. I click on it, then login with my NAS user/password (saving credentials) and browse to and select the directoy I’d like to save the clips to. I did create the directories ahead of time… don’t remember if Blue Iris allows you to create them.

      • 232 Tony F
        August 6, 2013 at 9:39 pm

        Thanks Heidi,

        If that’s the case, then I now know that I shouldn’t discard BlueIris after all. I mean, I don’t doubt that the iVMS software is good, but boy does it need polishing!!!
        I think it’s a cultural thing…. The user manual is horrible, and their notion of “user friendly” is miles away from what we’re accustomed to.

        I will keep playing with it a bit though, then resort to BI if needed (when I get frustrated and start cursing in Mandarin)

  80. 233 MilkJug
    August 6, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Wow, I’ve learned so much from this site! I’m trying to get this Swann-820 camera to work with a Q-See NVR. I have it connected to the NVR via a POE switch on my LAN and it works fine with the exception of getting it to record on motion detection. At this stage I can use iVMS software to set up motion detection directly on the camera, but this causes the NVR to record continuously, not start and stop on motion detection. My ultimate goal is to fix this problem, but continuous recording will suffice for now. What I have now is probably a more basic question about the camera’s web access.

    Obviously I’ve been able to make basic configuration changes such as IP address and password in order to get the NVR to recognize it. When I connect to the camera on my PC via its web access page, it instructs me to let it load some type of program, which I was able to do. I can now see a live feed and make most configuration changes. I cannot however get the “image” selection to work. From your screen shots of this web access, I see that’s where the motion detection configuration resides. I suspect this is an Active-X issue, but I don’t know how to resolve it. I’m using Windows 7 and IE 10. I’ve set IE’s security to trusted sites and entered all the appropriate IP addresses as well as setting the level to low. I’ve even disabled Norton Internet Security. Still doesn’t work.

    Can you help? If I can solve this access problem, maybe I can fix the other issue myself.
    Thanks for being such a great source of IP camera knowledge.

    • 234 networkcameracritic
      August 6, 2013 at 9:21 am

      I’ve had the same problem with several brands of cameras not being to save an image on my PC, yet on another PC it works fine. The only difference for me is one is 64 bit and the other is 32 bit Window 7. You can try compatibility mode on IE. Also try a different browser like Firefox.

      • 235 MilkJug
        August 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm

        I’ve spent hours and hours trying to get my PC to talk to this camera and it turned out to be something so simple that I failed to try it. Putting IE in compatibility mode did the trick. Thanks for your suggestion. I can now get to the ADVANCED : EVENTS menu to make changes that affect motion detection.

        Sadly, once motion has been detected it triggers the Q-See 808 NVR to start recording, but it won’t stop recording. When motion is detected, the NVR displays a red icon on screen representing motion detection, immediately followed by a green icon representing recording. Under normal circumstances, after all motion stops there is a 5 second delay before detection times out and the red icon disappears. Ten seconds later the green icon goes away meaning recording has stopped. In my case neither icon extinguish and it records continually. The NVR recognizes this camera as being ONVIF compliant and everything else seems to work fine. Any suggestions?

        • 236 networkcameracritic
          August 6, 2013 at 6:04 pm

          I had the Dahua NVR on-loan for a short time to do a review and never got too deep into. I did try other brands of cameras like Axis and like you said, it was continuous recording only.

  81. 237 Adrian
    August 14, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    please compare Swann 1089p with Costco’s Q-See Indoor/Outdoor HD 1080p 2 Pack IP Bullet Cameras.I debating between these two and can’t decide. Thanks.

    • 238 networkcameracritic
      August 14, 2013 at 7:26 pm

      First, no contest, side by side the Hikvision is clearer, better color accuracy, better firmware, better support. I will have the Hikvision review of the dome and bullet done by Monday. The Swann camera is made by Hikvision. The advantage of the Hikvision version is they are 3MP but you can run them at 1080P. They are priced at $169 with free shipping for the bullet or dome at http://www.wrightwoodsurveillance.com/, so a pretty good deal. They also carry Dahua, but the Hikvision is better and less expensive.

      • 239 Adrian
        August 14, 2013 at 8:20 pm

        Thanks. I really appreciate your recommendation. Keep up the good work! I will be purchasing the Hikvision 3mp in the near future.

  82. 240 Byron W.
    August 14, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Hello everyone. The is a great site! I have learned a lot over the past year and always willing to give back when time permits.

    Has anyone ordered from the site “WRIGHTWOOD SURVEILLANCE” at the location http://www.wrightwoodsurveillance.com/ ? I was just about to enter my credit card info when I felt maybe something did not feel right about the site. I have come across dummy e-commerce sites that look and feel like a real site selling products and fell victim to one last year that sent me a sponge instead of my order. Can anyone give their results from ordering from this site? I decided to Google their company name in Chicago, IL and they do not appear in the search results except for links going back to their site. I have also placed a call under “contact us” and it goes directly to a Google voice mailbox. I could be wrong but is this a legitimate company?

    Any legitimate company should be registered in it’s local government and should at least appear as a listing in the local phone book which may/should appear in a Google search. I could be wrong and correct me if I am wrong! I would like to at least warn everyone here before purchasing.

    • 241 networkcameracritic
      August 14, 2013 at 8:55 pm

      Very legitimate site, it’s belongs to my daughter, she buys only from U.S. sources with U.S. warranties, is licensed in Chicago, IL as a business and reseller (you can look that up on Chicago’s business portal website). I helped her start the business because like you said, there are so many shady online sites and many that are unauthorized to sell many brands and I had nobody I trusted to recommend people to that ask me. So I made sure she is an approved reseller with all the top brands. Also, you have the protection of PayPal and your credit card company should you not receive goods. They do answer their phone but sometimes are busy with other customers, so it goes to voicemail which is Google voice.

      The reason the prices on Hikvision are so low compared to the competition is she buys them from a first tier distributor that is less expensive than were others buy from and she passes the savings to you. Last time she had inventory, she sold out so fast, it left a few people back-ordered, and one person complained loudly. Ironically, everyone else was out too, so it is what it is. Someone came and bought 100 at once and cleaned them out. There’s 600 in inventory now, so that should not happen again.

  83. 242 B.A.
    August 14, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    I have not yet placed an order with WrightWoodSurvellance, but I have spoken with them on the telephone, and they did seem responsive, and willing to work with customers. I planned to buy the Hikvision camera, but with a 6mm rather than 4mm lens… and WWS worked to get that for me, but it was unavailable in 6mm to them at that time. I wound up ordering from China on AliExpress. However, with free shipping on WWS and the aprx 30 day wait from China (and only a $20 difference in price) I will probably order from them in future.

    • 243 networkcameracritic
      August 14, 2013 at 9:16 pm

      The optional lens sizes do take a long time to get. I waited over a month to get my 12mm directly from Hikvision USA, they don’t even stock them. I was told that the more and more people order the cameras, they’ll start importing the different lens sizes.

  84. 244 RMA
    August 15, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I have ordered 2 from WWS…
    Get ready for questions!!!!!!!

    JK

    With all the posts here surely I can figure this out <:)

  85. 246 Kevin
    August 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Ordered another one this week from Nelly’s and got it installed tonight. Great camera.

  86. 248 Kevin
    August 15, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I’ve been getting them from Nelly’s Security in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I’m in Texas.

    • 249 networkcameracritic
      August 15, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      Ah, that’s why you got it so quick. Mine ships from the east coast, and I’m on the left coast, so takes longer for ground shipping.

  87. 250 Kevin
    August 15, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Maybe I misunderstood. I was talking cameras, not lenses. Sorry

    • 251 networkcameracritic
      August 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      Yes, cameras, not lenses. I ordered two cameras from Wrightwood Surveillance, but takes longer because I’m further away in So Cal.

  88. 252 Aleic
    August 16, 2013 at 12:17 am

    HI all

    I stumbled upon this great blog. I am new to security systems. I did a D1 install last fall and now completely hooked on upgrading to 1080p and megapixel

    I have just one question. I had my entire 16 channel set up run with rg59. Is there a major difference between doing IP and just upgrading my cams and dvr to HD-SDI and using the RG59.

    Appreciate any comments on this and sorry for posting in the camera review. I did not see a “general” thread

    • 253 networkcameracritic
      August 16, 2013 at 8:32 am

      I have not tried SDI but if you have the cables already in place, that may be easier. Also, you can use the old cables to pull Ethernet cables. SDI is currently limited to 1080P, with Ethernet you can use 3MP and 5MP and whatever the future will bring.

    • 254 Suzook
      August 16, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      Interesting point. It seems that the nvr options can do realtime at 480fps (for 16 cams) but that playback is much lower FPS? At least thats how I understand it. From what I can tell SDI can playback 15FPS for 16 cameras. I am trying to decide and if I can future proof if it will be cheaper in the long run just to pull the ethernet. I do like more megapixels :)

      • 255 networkcameracritic
        August 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm

        Ethernet cable is very inexpensive and if you can just use the old coax to pull the Ethernet cable, I think long term you’ll be better off. If you commit to SDI, it limits your choices on cameras and resolution in the future and you will not likely want to throw that investment away closing your options.

  89. 256 B.A.
    August 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    The best place I have found for specialty cable, including in ground direct burial RG59 and Ethernet Cat 5e is:

    http://deepsurplus.com/

    Example:

    http://deepsurplus.com/Network-Structured-Wiring/Direct-Burial/Ethernet-CAT5e-Outdoor-Direct-Burial-300ft-Solid-Patch-Cable-Black

    Or, if you are still on analog:

    http://deepsurplus.com/Network-Structured-Wiring/RG59-Coaxial/1-000ft-RG59-95-Outdoor-Direct-Burial-Copper-Braid-BC-18-2-Siamese-Coax-CCTV-Cable-Black

    We have long out dor cable runs here (one of 300′) and I am experimenting with switch placement.

  90. 257 Cece Rubin
    August 16, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    We just got our Swann cameras through the mail yesterday have been trying to add them to our Lorex NVR.

    Since they are new…is it possible they are blocking the password from being changed? We have tried over and over to change the Swan password (12345) to Lorex’s (000000) to no avail….or as they say today only to a FAIL.

    Maybe we’re doing something wrong or there’s a new software out there to help us?

    Thanks! ~ Cece

  91. 258 Kevin
    August 18, 2013 at 7:42 am

    OK, what am I missing here? Maybe I don’t understand resolution very well. I assumed if I put the cam in 3MP mode, I could zoom in (in Blue Iris for instance) and the image would be clearer in the further regions of the video versus if I was in the lower resolutions. But, I am seeing the exact same “graininess or pixilation” when I zoom in very much. So, essentially, I am seeing no difference in image clarity (zoomed or not) no matter which setting I choose. Is this normal?

    • 259 networkcameracritic
      August 18, 2013 at 11:18 am

      Don’t know what you expectation it, but BlueIris may not be displaying the full resolution. If you go into the web browser and click on the 1X button above the image (next to 4:3 and 16:9) it will display in full 3MP resolution, assuming you have the Hikvision firmware, not Swann.

    • 260 networkcameracritic
      August 18, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      Go look at an image on the review, it is 640 pixel wide, sort of like VGA, so see how that would be if you enlarged it. If you click on it, it will display, in the case of this camera a 2MP version, Your browser may only display it fit your screen so click on the image again and yo should see the full resolution.

  92. 261 Larry
    August 26, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Does anybody have experience with how well these (or similar) cameras hold-up in the ice and snow during the winter or extreme heat and rain during the summer? My cameras will be placed on an exterior wall in direct sunlight fully exposed to the harsh weather and heat found in the mid-western states. If there isn’t too much information on this newer model, how about older similar models?
    -thanks

    • 262 networkcameracritic
      August 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      Since winter hasn’t happened here, at least in the northern hemisphere, don’t know if anyone has experience with this, but if you go by the specs, it’s -22F (-30C) is the minimum operating temp and 140F (60C) for the max.

  93. 263 Carlton
    August 31, 2013 at 11:34 am

    I’m watching Costco to see if the mail in rebate is offered again. That was a fantastic price for these cameras, especially given the recent price increases for this same hardware under different brand names.

  94. 264 JacktheRipper
    September 1, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Here’s a deal that Costco is advertising for on-line purchase only, starting 9/4/13:

    http://www.costco.com/Swann-8-Channel-3MP-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-HDD-and-4-1080p-Cameras.product.100058520.html?catalogId=10701&keyword=788693&langId=-1&storeId=10301

    Claims to have 4 3MP cameras at 2048 X 1536 pixels, records at 1080P (1920 X 1080 pixels), PoE, and 2TB NVR. I presume this is the camera we’re talking about? Why the two different pixel claims? Seems to be available now, even though the flyer said not until 9/4.

    • 265 networkcameracritic
      September 1, 2013 at 9:29 am

      To me it says the NVR can record up to 3MP but the cameras are 1080P, same cameras.

      • 266 JacktheRipper
        September 1, 2013 at 1:15 pm

        Actually the 2048 X 1536 resolution is claimed in the camera section of the Costco website. Perhaps the NVR records at this resolution too, but the 1080P refers to the resolution of the HDMI output to the display. I don’t know how you would access the higher resolution unless zooming takes advantage of it. Info is thin on the Costco website, and it appears to be authored by Swann. $899 seems like a good deal for this package. I ordered one today.

        • 267 JacktheRipper
          September 13, 2013 at 8:09 am

          I received the 4 camera system on Sept. 9, and posted the following review on Costco.com:
          Pros: Excellent Image Quality, Quiet Fan on NVR, PoE, Great apps for iPhone and iPad, Outstanding Costco Concierge support line, Excellent Swann Manuals, Great value at $899.
          Cons: Need VGA cable and monitor for first-time setup (HDMI not active as delivered).
          Received the unit 7 days after ordering on-line from Costco, as promised. Hooked it up with my newer HDMI 1080p TV set and got “No Signal” from TV. Turns out, as delivered, the NVR expects to have a VGA connection to a VGA monitor at a lower resolution, and there’s no way of changing it to HDMI without connecting to a computer monitor with a VGA cable. The first call to Costco was about this, and, after a few menu selections, a human picked up the call on the first ring. Excellent English and very knowledgeable, and he told me exactly what I had to do to configure it to HDMI. Hooked it back up to the TV, and it worked fine. Bought a 24” Samsung TV (on sale for $180 at Costco) to dedicate to the installation.
          The next challenge was connecting my iPhone and iPad to the NVR so I could view the camera remotely. There are four steps involved: (1) opening ports in my internet router so the internet can see the NVR, (2) downloading the appropriate apps for my iPhone (SwannView NPR), and my iPad (SwannView HD), (3) establishing a SwannDNS account to deal with my dynamic router IP address, and (4) configuring the NVR. A second call to the Costco Concierge was needed to get me through all this. Some comments on each of these steps follow.
          Step (1) unfortunately my AT&T UVerse router does not have UPnP, so we had to open the ports manually. The concierge had detailed instructions specific to my particular router, and they made the process easy. You will need to have your router’s password to open the ports. In my case, the password was given to me my AT&T when they installed the router.
          Step (2) the concierge knew the specific versions of the SwannView app to download for each of my devices, as indicated above. Note that there’s also an app called simply “SwanView”, and it’s not the right one to use with the NVR.
          Step (3) I simply followed the manual, page 15, to set up a SwannDNS account with no problem. I did this before calling the concierge.
          Step (4) the concierge had detailed information of how to configure the NVR, although he got hung up by a screen that did not seem to display my router gateway properly. The gateway was properly set, but the screen indicated otherwise. All in all, the concierge stayed with me (nearly two hours!) to make sure everything was working.
          I think the apps and the native NVR software are excellent. The apps both seem to automatically know if I’m working remotely or on my local WiFi. Local WiFi obviously has a higher data/refresh rate, but both are very acceptable. My goal was to have the iPad at my nightstand so if I hear a bump in the night, I can check things out from my bed, and it works perfectly for that. I easily configured the motion detection to ignore some trees that always blow around, and looking at saved data is easy, both local and remotely. So, I gave five stars because the end result is exactly what I expected, though that VGA thing was a bummer.

          • 268 JC
            September 13, 2013 at 9:32 am

            Good information! I ordered one back on the 5th, but the order status still just shows received. They claim 3MP for both recording and the cameras, so hopefully that’s true or it’s going back. With any luck, I should have it next week to see. You definitely save me some setup grief!

            On a side note, does anyone know where I can find wide angle lenses for a TPLINK SC3430? I have 4 I set up as weather cams and would like to get a wider view. I sent TPLINK a couple of emails, but they don’t respond. Found a guy on Ebay named Andy Lig that has some possible candidates, but he seems a bit flaky in his responses – maybe just a Chinese/English issue. May have to just order one and hope.

  95. 269 EveryLittleThing
    September 3, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    I was looking at the Hikvision 3MP cameras, they appear to be asking $279.99 for one camera, what happened to the $169 pricing?

  96. 271 AC
    September 12, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    this is one great camera ! i installed 4 of them today, WOW.

    • 272 AC
      September 13, 2013 at 11:48 pm

      Swann just released ‘SwanView HD Plus’ on AppStore for the iPad.
      There is another app from before, so ignore that one! This new SwanView HD Plus app allows you connect directly to these cameras with very little configuration. The picture quality for stream is not full HD but it’s pretty good ! you can view up to 9 cameras.

      Also it’s free.

  97. 273 Michael
    September 16, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Hi, thanks for the site!

    Has anyone got this camera (SWNHD-820CAM) to upload to FTP as a standalone camera? (That is, without using a DVR or PC motion-detection software.)

    I bought it to replace a Panasonic BB-HCM715 (completely different camera, I know), but apparently I should have researched it better first. I can’t get it to email me, or to store images anywhere, at all, which basically means it’s only good for live viewing. I’m happy to put off-brand firmware on it, if that will make it useful to me.

    And a related, but off-topic question – if I can’t get this to work, what’s a good alternative? <$300, decent image, but has good standalone capabilities for motion detection (regions, email, FTP, can upload a few seconds from before the event, http or similar notifications to a web server, preferably local storage like my old Panasonic). Is there a better place for me to put that question?

    Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!

  98. 274 JacktheRipper
    September 17, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I received four of these cameras as part of the recent (ongoing) Costco sale for a $899 NVR system (left a review of the system elsewhere on this site). Everything worked as it should for two days, including iPhone and iPad connectivity, but then one of the cameras went totally dead. No lights on the Ethernet at all when you plug in. Chatted with Swann technical support, and they concluded that the camera had failed. They are supposed to send me return authorization, and I assume there’s nothing I can do further myself to fix it. Has anyone else has infant mortality on these cameras? What’s the longest anyone has had with operating them?

    • 275 networkcameracritic
      September 17, 2013 at 12:56 pm

      Like anything electronic you buy, if it’s going to fail, it’s going to do it in the first few days. I have not seen any fail myself.

      • 276 JacktheRipper
        September 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm

        OK, great to hear. Love the system, so I want it to work. Thanks for this forum by the way–it was very instrumental in my selection of the system, and an outstanding, responsive resource for questions. Hope Swann and Costco are paying you well. …Jack

        • 277 Tony
          September 21, 2013 at 12:11 pm

          I hope that wasn’t sarcasm from what you just posted. The cameras are rebadged hikvisions. This site reviews other popular cameras as well so cameras. why would he get paid for hating on swann revision?

          • 278 JacktheRipper
            September 22, 2013 at 9:20 am

            Not criticism at all–it was meant to be an irony, or joke. This site has praised this camera, both Hikivision and Swann badged, and the praise is fully deserved. Obviously the praise has been provided for free, and is completely objective in my opinion.

      • 279 JacktheRipper
        September 22, 2013 at 9:28 am

        I worked the camera replacement through Swann, and they concluded the camera had a hard failure, and they agreed to replace it upon return. However, there was confusion about my email address, so I didn’t receive the return authorization from them as a result. I then called Costco Concierge who then called Swann, and Swann agreed to send a camera immediately instead of waiting for my return. Arrived yesterday, and all is good. I generally think of Costco as having low prices, but they also have excellent customer service.

  99. 280 AC
    September 21, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I ended liking the first 4 individual cameras so much, I bought the NVR + 4 kit. I set it up last night and the process was long and drawn out. The NVR kit was able to recognize the 4 cameras which came with it. [ by the way, the dongle on these kit cameras are circular and not square ]. I couldn’t for the life of me get the 4 already mounted and functioning for 1 week set to come online. Even after a reset [ which by the way doesn't do anything. The password stays the same and the IP stays the same, only reboots the camera ]. I eventually called customer support, no luck. They told me to return the cameras. I was like they are already mounted :(

    Being an IT guy, I didn’t give up. To make matters worse the original HIKVision VMS was giving a 500 error when trying to download it last night. So I hooked up the 4 cameras back to my old switch. I logged into them individually and ‘reset to default params including IP’. Then plugged them back into the NVR, reboot and voila, 8 HD cameras in our home security system.

    The NVR software is good enough for my purposes so no need for BlueIris or anything PC based. I’ll give a proper review with pictures of the NVR in 1 week.

  100. 281 james bond
    September 22, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    I’m having trouble port forwarding this thing. Anyone successful? I’ve port forwarded my other cameras without any problems, but for some reason this camera just doesn’t want to be port forwarded. Please help!

  101. 283 JC
    September 23, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Finally got my Swann system from Costco today – ordered back on the 5th. Pulled the manual to take a quick look while at work, and it’s for a 4 channel NVR! Had me worried that maybe somehow I had goofed and ordered a 4 channel by mistake. Went to the website, and now the Swann 8 channel NVR is $1199 instead of $899, and has a different part number. Checked my email and sure enough it said 8 channel. Went back to the car and pulled the NVR out to check, and it is 8 channel. I’m wondering if the new setup at Costco is the same one, or the one I have is an older NVR? Descriptions look the same, and I don’t notice any differences except for the price. Maybe they goofed and advertised the 8 channel when it was meant to be 4? I’ll take a detailed look tonight and see what the model of the NVR is. The box with the cameras says 3MP on it, so that appears to be the same. Very odd to say the least – any ideas?

    Thanks!

  102. 284 JC
    September 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I looked at the manual a little more, and though all the pictures are for the 4 channel model, I did find a couple of places where they mention that the 8 channel will have an extra 4 ports. All of the alarm info seems to just talk about 4 channels…guess it’s just a really generic manual. Still curious what differences there may be between the one I just received and the new one they are offering for $300 more.

    • 285 networkcameracritic
      September 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm

      That was a one time sale that’s over I believe.

      • 286 JC
        September 23, 2013 at 2:45 pm

        So you think the two are the same? If so, that was a good sale!

        I hope they will start offering the 3MP cameras in two-packs as well.

        • 287 networkcameracritic
          September 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm

          Or you can buy them individually for less from Wrightwood Surveillance, $167.99 for the 3MP Hikvision but just ran out but will have more in a week or so. Also they carry the dome version of the camera, also ran out.

  103. 288 Amit Chandel
    September 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Looks virtually identical hardware wise. They might have opened up hardware’s capabilities with a software update and are charging $300 more for it.

    • 289 networkcameracritic
      September 23, 2013 at 4:14 pm

      The Swann support guy said no, they are different cameras not just a software upgrade. Some people that upgraded the firmware got 3MP but claimed it wasn’t really 3MP, so not sure if it’s possible.

  104. 290 JC
    September 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Got my order from Costco yesterday with the new 3MP cameras and NVR. Didn’t have time to do anything yet except plug in one of the cameras. It does show the 3MP resolution, but when I set it to that the FOV changes and I loose some of the image on the right and left. The image also seems to be darker and not as well defined. Does this sound like it’s not really 3MP, and they are just playing games with the image?

  105. 291 EveryLittleThing
    September 24, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    I too, obtained one of the Costco sold Swann 8 Channel ( 4 cameras ) NVR setups… I haven’t gotten around to installing all the cams yet, I’ve just been playing with things to make sure I understand it all before I do a full install.

    Can anyone tell me, if it’s possible to connect the cameras to the NVR using a external switch with POE? I really would rather not have to run four ( or more ) separate Cat5 cables back to where I intend to put the NVR. I would much rather run one cable to another location, closer to where all the cameras will be located, connect them to a switch, etc.. Is this possible? or do you really have to connect each camera via it’s own cable to one of the ports on the back of the NVR?

    • 292 tony
      September 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm

      You can.It is also best you put them in there own vlan as long as you know how to configure it to where you can view it from you pc.

      • 293 EveryLittleThing
        September 26, 2013 at 6:43 am

        Could you give me a bit more of a description of how this would all work? or point me to some site or such that would give more details?

        As I understand things, out of the box, all the cameras have the same IPv4 address (192.0.0.64), and that the standard NVR connection has each camera connected to it’s own individual port ( 1 through 8 ). Based on the product manual, it seemingly identifies each camera and names it based on the port that it’s connected to.

        I know a bit about networking, yet I’m having a bit of trouble understanding how it would be able to identify these cameras when connected though a remote switch/hub. Do they use DHCP, or what? and if DHCP is used or something similar, how do they uniquely identify each camera, ( possibly with MAC address I suppose ) but initially, how does it know which camera should be camera one , which is two, etc… ? is it done by the sequence in which they are connected? if so, what happens at power outage, do they have nonvolatile memory?

        Or… well, I could invision that the user has to manually configure the cameras, giving them their own unique IP address, then configuring the NVR to understand that this is what’s being done. This seems simple enough, very possible, even down right reasonable to do… Yet the manual makes no reference to this type of configuration…

        Ideally I’d like to get some details about how things actually work from somewhere. (I do have a call into Swann tech support, but on my initial call, I was told, you can’t do this type of thing , higher level support is supposed to be calling me tomorrow)

        • 294 Madmin
          September 14, 2014 at 4:06 pm

          I have been fighting with this issue myself. I have a call in to tech support but they do not seem to be pursuing it further. Technically you should be able to statically set the Camera’s IP and have the NVR recognize each camera through a single port based off of IP.

          Did you get any further with this?

  106. 295 JC
    September 25, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Any place to find firmware updates for the new Swann 3MP cameras? I noticed that it’s missing some IPV6 and other features the latest Lorex cameras seem to have. Lorex seems to be on a higher firmware version. I’m having trouble getting the camera to return a snapshot when in the 3MP resolution. It was working in 720P and 1080P, but not 3MP, though this morning it doesn’t want to work with 1080P either. I’ll try resetting it tonight.

  107. 296 EveryLittleThing
    September 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Interesting… I have been playing, trying to find out how things work, how to connect to the camera through a ethernet hub, powered by 12 volt source, etc… I tried the 192.0.0.64 address, but its not working, I’m thinking, maybe I don’t understand networking as well as I thought, or something… Well long story shorter, I get the latest iVMS-4000 software thinking you can’t just connect via a simple web interface… At first I’m getting nowhere fast… then I use this feature in the software to like look for a camera, I see one, and tell it to connect… It seems my camera is configured for 172.16.1.5, and connecting to that with web browser does indeed get to the camera. Also… it seems you can tell this camera , with the firmware that came on mine from the factory, to operate at 2048×1536 AKA 3MP.

    So, what’s this tell me? what configured the IP address to 172.16.1.5 ??? did the NVR do this, when I had previously plugged it into the NVR? did it come that way from the factory? or what? Soon, I’ll try my other cameras… if they are configured with unique addresses, all on the 172.16.1.0 subnet, then maybe all you have to do is connect once to the NVR, let the camera get setup, then move it onto a ethernet hub remotely and it will just work… or that’s what I’m hoping is the case.

    Bottom line is, it seems the latest version of firmware on my cameras, is different then the one reviewed here.

  108. September 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I’m looking at getting a couple of these.

    I currently have a junky Swann 4 camera NTSC system and the wife wants something better. So do I.

    The camera has a 4MM lens. The 4MM is good for covering my front yard, but may stink at high resolution after a certain distance? I’m planning on using Blue Iris and a newer fast I5 computer. How far out will I get good facial recognition during the day, and at night? I’m hoping for 60-70 feet during the day, and all I can at night. I’m all wired GB networking in the house. I’ll probably start at 10FPS, not sure what bit rate. My loose plan is 2 of these nice cameras outside, and maybe a couple of junk Foscam or such indoors all hard wired with PoE. I’ve been doing computer networks for 15+ years, but this will be my first try at IP cameras. Thank you very much for any responses. I really love this site for researching good unbiased information!
    - JoePTZ

    • 298 networkcameracritic
      September 27, 2013 at 9:33 am

      You will not be able to ID someone at 60-70′ with a 4mm lens with only 3MP. Get the 12mm lens version if you want to ID someone at that distance. I believe WrightwoodSurveillance.com should have some 12mm in stock by early next week, I have 2 on order as they are great for narrow side yards.

      ACTi is coming out with some 10MP cameras in the next few months that will be able to ID someone with a wider lens, I expect their first one, their indoor version to be out in October.

  109. 299 EveryLittleThing
    September 26, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Ok, I got a call from a Australian tech support guy this evening, he explained a few things to me… Namely , that the 172.16.1.0 subnet is on the newer NVRs , they changed from 192.168.1.0 due to conflicts with many well known home type routers that use that space. Also, learned that the camera ports on the back of the NVR, are not really unique and there’s no need to connect camera1 to port1, camera2 to port2, etc… the cameras don’t always get the same IP address and that doesn’t matter, the camera name, and other settings are stored in nonvolatile memory and the actual IP address that gets assigned to any given camera is not all that important. Bottom line is that you can indeed connect a remote ethernet switch/hub and connect cameras to it, without any concern for the overall operation of the system.

    Another thing I discovered today, my camera calls itself a SWNHD-825CAM, not a SWNHD-820CAM. The firmware rev is 4.0.9.130510. I’m not sure if there is any functional difference associated with this model/name change or not.

    So, it looks like I’ll be buying a POE ethernet switch soon and connecting my cameras to it, then connecting the switch to the NVR with one ethernet cable, making my install much cleaner.

    It’s all starting to make a bit more sense to me now…

    • 300 EveryLittleThing
      October 4, 2013 at 1:09 pm

      The saga of connecting a Swann NVR8-7200 to four SWNHD-825CAM(s) using a remote ethernet switch, has nearly come to a conclusion. I have learned some things along the way, which I believe are worth putting out here…

      Swann basic customer service, will not be able to help you at this point in time, if you should try this. Their higher level support, know that it can work, but also seem perhaps a little unclear as to exactly how it needs to be done. Both levels of support have been very willing and able to do whatever it is they can, so all in all I really am happy with the support they have given me, with what is NOT a officially supported feature.

      First… it seems, that the ‘video input’ ports on the back of the NVR, will not connect to one of these cameras, unless it’s done in the ‘plug and play’ mode. That is, you can not manually set the IP address of the camera you intend to connect to it, and get it to work. Also, in ‘pulg and play’ mode, you can not connect more then one camera to one of these ports, not even if you add a POE Switch in in between the video input and the cameras. It just will not work. Plug and Play only in these ports. ( I determined this myself, through a whole lot of testing, trial, and error, Swann support doesn’t seem to fully understand all this , if it is possible in some way, they were unable to show me how, and I wasn’t able to figure it out on my own )

      So, where does that leave me? Connecting through the standard ‘Network Port’ is the way it’s done.. You have to configure the IP address of the video camera input manually in the NVR’s camera management configureation , and also configure the IP address of each of the cameras manually. Once you get it all configured with the correct IP addresses and pass words, it does work.
      8
      So, for example… network interface address 192.168.1.253, cameras 192.168.1.241, 192.168.1.242, 192.168.1.243, 192.168.1.244, where the home router address is 192.168.1.1. Configure the NVR so that it’s ready to see these cameras at the static addresses, connect it to your home network, and your good to go.

      What I don’t know, but I suspect is entirely possible, is to connect a camera remotely, with a static IP address, using appropriate routing/networking. I may try this at some point, placing one of the cameras on my work’s network and trying to connect to it, but this will have to be future, just for proof of concept. But I really don’t see why it wouldn’t work.

      One tool, that was and is very helpful in doing this, is Swann’s “Swannview NVR Client” software. Which can be found here… http://www.swann.com/downloads/New_FTP/Name/NVR_Temporary/Software/ With this NVR Client software, you can configure the NVR, but also can ‘find’ cameras and configure them… This software becomes invaluable when trying to manually configure the cameras and such.

      One other thing, that I’ve managed to do, using the SwannView NVR Client software, is to configure the NVR to record at 3MP (2048×1536 pixels). There is no way to configure the NVR to do this, from within the NVR’s standard interface, but it is possible to do using the Client software.

      Now, bear in mind… that none of this is officially supported by Swann nor me, so use at your own risk.

  110. 301 Peter
    October 1, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Hey! Thanks for this post! I’m only 1/3 the way down, but after a bit of research and checking out your videos, I plonked down the cash and bought the 2 pack from Costco today.
    Now I just need a PoE…. :)
    Many thanks!

  111. 302 Byron
    October 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Has anyone attempted and successfully installed the Hikvision DS-2CD2032-I firmware in this Swann camera?

    I have just upgraded and instantly went to the setting “Resolution” and changed it to 2048*1536 and pressed save. Next to the save button it said ” Parameter error. ”

    I have also noticed that the web interface still has SWNHD-820CAM it in the upper corner. It seems as though the firmware loaded but only change things superficially. Was expecting it to change to the Hikvision model #.

    The firmware file name was digicap.dav.

    I had my hopes up and was excited while watching the percent increasing to 100% then suddenly let down. :(

  112. 303 JacktheRipper
    October 4, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Just a little detail for those of you working with the Swann NVR 7200: I was unable to get the NTP time update working while pointing to pool.ntp.org. It just never worked. I took the following steps:
    (1) I made sure port 123 was open on my uVerse modem/router (a manual process, since the unit does not support uPnP).
    (2) I turned off daylight savings time, just for good measure in Menu>>Configuration>>General>>DST.
    (3) In Menu>>Configuration>>Network>>NTP, I replaced pool.ntp.org with 72.13.92.34 (A public tier 2 server in San Jose). I presume this is a static IP, but we’ll see.
    With these steps, the time was updated correctly for my time zone (Pacific time), including the offset for DST.

    • 304 networkcameracritic
      October 4, 2013 at 8:09 pm

      No need to open ports on your router. I generally use time.windows.com, works on my Hikvision made cameras. What you can also do is if you have a Windows PC that’s up all the time, Windows has an NTP compatible authoritative time server built in for several versions back. Here’s how to do it in Windows XP – http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314054

  113. 305 Riddleywalker
    October 6, 2013 at 1:53 am

    For those of you looking to flash your firmware here is a working link to HIKVISION’s directory of firmware downloads:

    http://www.hikvisioneurope.com/portal/index.php?dir=Product%20Firmware/Cameras/Raptor%20Platform%20IPC%202%20series%20firmware/

    That being said, I did just flash my firmware to the latest version as of this writing (5.0.2) and I too get a “Parameter Error” when switching the video stream resolution to 3MP (2048×1536). Most or all other new features seem to function fine.

    Curious if anyone else has gotten this “Parameter Error” message and has been able to resolve this issue.

  114. 306 Riddleywalker
    October 6, 2013 at 2:16 am

    *UPDATE*

    Make sure to reboot your cam after flashing firmware.

    Solved previous “Parameter Error” issue(s).

  115. 307 Byron
    October 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    About upgrading the firmware

    I found this site that carries the physically exact camera as different model numbers and resolutions.

    http://www.ezcctv.com/cat/Hikvision-IP-Cameras-123.htm

    I wonder which model My Swann really is?

    Input anyone?

    • 308 networkcameracritic
      October 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

      The model number is in the title, Swann HD-820CAM is Hikvision DS-2CD2032. That site in the U.K. so I’m going to assume that’s where you are. In the U.S., WrightwoodSurveillance.com sells them for as low as $167.99 shipped and comes in varying lens sizes.

  116. 309 Byron
    October 7, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Firmware problem resolved.

    The “Parameter Error” problem was due to my browser. I was using Chrome to modify settings. I went over to IE and deleted browsing history. Restarted IE and changed the setting which saved successfully.

  117. 310 Peter
    October 8, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Software question.
    I see on this site reviews of various NVR software and was wondering about the software capabilities that come with this Swann and/or the HIKVision (if the Swann is flashed with the HIKVision firmware).

    I am used to the Geovision s/w that came with my GV-800 Analog-Digital card. I have used it for several years and love it’s stability and motion capture abilities/options, such as being able to mask out certain areas, event pre-record buffer etc.
    The only downside is that you need to convert the proprietory video to WMP format to avoid having to install a codec on everyone’s machine that you send a video to. (The cops would not be open to that).

    So I am wondering if the supplied software can even allow you to record video to a shared network folder/drive and has ‘basic’ event capture ability. Or do you need something like Blueiris or Xprotect?

  118. 312 Peter
    October 8, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Thanks.
    Is that the “iVMS” s/w in the “Video Software Management” folder?
    Anybody here tried it?

  119. 313 B.A.
    October 8, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    I am running the Hikvision software.

    It requires a lot of processor to run, they recommend an I7…

    I am running 4 IP cameras, one ACTi KCM 5611 and 3 Hikvision of the type we are discussing on this thread. Two of those are Swans, one is pure Hikvision. There is a Mac version of the software (IVMS4200) but the Mac version does not contain the NVR, and can only be used for remote playback, or real time monitoring. The Windows version of the IVMS4200 contains the NVR, and the Mac version can connect to it.

    I am running all 4 with their respective software NVR’s (ACTi and Hikvision) hosted in VMWare on an IMac 3Ghz Core 2 Duo. I am viewing the Hikvision playback on a separate Mac to split out the load.

    The Hikvision software works, but takes some getting used to. Since its free, there is really no cost in playing with it. However, you must format a separate disk to store your video. I have allocated 1 TB for each Hikvision camera as drives E,F, H. The Hikvision NVR will format this for you (you tell it which drives to format). It writes a bunch of files and indexes to those hard drives, reserving space, and later, fills up those files. When they become full, it writes over the oldest data.

    I prefer the ACTi NVR to the Hikvision NVR. It seems a bit easier to use, and the real time playback is more reliable with my slower processors. You pay more for the cameras, though.

    One thing I notice, is that both systems generate a lot of data, and tend to grow my VMWare session. I manage that by backing up any video I need to MP4 or AVI files, and cleaning out the remainder. I can shrink my virtual machine to a reasonable size doing that.

    I manage that by deleting files except for the current ones in the ACTi system. For the Hikvision system, I completely delete any files generated by the Hikvision system in drives E, F, and H, reclaim my space using VMWare, and then re format using the Hikvision NVR.

    This is an overview of my experience, and I hope it is useful.

  120. 314 B.A.
    October 9, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Some other differences to note about the hikvision NVR software vs the ACTi NVR software:
    The Hikvision NVR software is a windows forground app with a lot of moving parts, some of
    Which you may not use, such as a “storage server”. It seems to use more overhead than the ACTi app which is a different archiceture (see below). You can connect to this app as described in my previous post to split the load… but to monitor your cameras and record, the app must be up and running.

    The ACTi app is essentially client server. The recording application runs as a Window’s Service… so you are recording whenever Windows is up… no foreground app necessary. Thus, low overhead. The oreground app is used for monitoring & playback… and only needs to be open when you need those functions. Cleaner & more efficient.

    Also playback cleaner with ACTi app.

  121. 315 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks BA.
    Just got the cams a couple hrs. ago.
    Got them running and flashed with the HIKVision firmware.
    The Parameter Error is weird. I uploaded the firmware via Chrome, changed to the 2048×1536 res. and got the error.
    Closed Chrome, started IE and changed the setting there.
    Went back to Chrome and the error is now gone.

    Started playing around and, yes the HIKVision s/w needs to format a drive. Not going to go that route!
    I will look into ACTi and see if that’s suitable (for the cost) for me, on your recommendation.
    I tried the ‘Record’ button. on the web interface and I get it to record a video, but I cannot play it back using WMP. So it seems I need a codec. I will look on HIKVision’s d/l site for one.

    Using the ‘Playback’ tab takes me to the calendar, but no files are shown. Not sure why that is…
    Still playing around though, but if you know anything about the video playback issues, let me know!
    Cheers.

    • 316 B.A.
      October 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm

      Peter, the ACTi software works with ACTi cameras.

      I very seriously doubt it will work with Hikvision cameras.

      You probably know that, but just in case… I thought I would make that clear.

    • 317 B.A.
      October 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm

      Peter, if you go the ACTi route, their NVR creates .avi files. These will play in Windows Media Player.

      However, the best tool I have found for playing these back is Real Player (on the Mac – I use the free version). This allows you more control, you can move the slider forward or back to review the video at what ever speed you like. Makes a review very easy. The version I use is Real Player SP (for Mac) version 12.0.0.

      • 318 networkcameracritic
        October 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm

        They actually do now support several brands of cameras. I specifically asked about Hikvision and Dahua support and they said it should be out soon. BUT it’s not free. You can run the first 16 ACTi cameras for free, but licenses for non-ACTi cameras I believe are around $40-50 each. Works out well if you have mostly ACTi cameras and a small amount of non-ACTi cameras.

  122. 321 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    So I found VSPlayer and got to playback the recordings. But I don’t want to have to give the police a file that they cannot play without a special player, or even codec for that matter!
    They want to be able to just dbl click it to watch it. They are not going to want to fart around.
    Does the ACTi s/w convert the video to a common format that will be hassle free?

  123. 323 B.A.
    October 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    As far as I know, the VSPlayer is what Hikvision recommends.

    As for the cops, the ones around here have some speialized hevy duty stuff which according to them can read almost anything… but if they had difficulty I would provide VSPlayer, and I am sure they would use it.

  124. 324 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Yup the converter works great.
    I’m trying out Xprotect right now….
    Can’t seem to get it to record on motion detect…
    Says in the log it’s working, configured save dir. ok, but no video files there…

  125. 325 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Oh, there are files there: .pic files
    What do you use to play those??

    • 326 networkcameracritic
      October 9, 2013 at 7:19 pm

      You don’t really play those, you run the Smart Client program either on the same PC or a different PC and on top there’s tabs for Live and Playback, click Playback and it should display your cameras. Click on one and it shows you a timeline on the bottom of all the recorded events and you can slide that to get to the event you want and click the play button. You can control playback speed, backwards, forwards. Click the gear icon to change options. Click the Export button on top to export the file for later viewing. You’ll get the hang of it. Playback on Smartphones apps is not as easy with a timeline, it displays a list of files, you tap each to play them. Hope that helps.

  126. 327 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Oh ok thanks.
    I added a ‘Windows User’ successfully and then ran the Client.
    I can’t get past the Connect to Server screen though.
    Localhost
    Basic Auth.
    User is Admin
    Pass is ***** (Which is what? 12345?
    Tried that and I get ‘Check the server address’ error msg.
    Changed to Windows authentication, but that didn’t work either.
    Any suggestions>>>?
    Thanks!

  127. 328 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Problems with ports:
    Working on it!

  128. 329 Peter
    October 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Yup it was a port thing – got the Client running now :)

  129. 330 Peter
    October 10, 2013 at 9:47 am

    So I am almost there!
    I am able to view cameras on the computer that the ‘Management’ s/w is installed.
    I can also view the recorded files using the ‘Client’ s/w.
    The motion detection seems to work as expected, though I may want to play around with the options.
    The cameras seem to be quite good so far, but I have to look at the settings for my environment:
    During the night, if motion is detected in my driveway, my security lights come on.
    The slider that determines the wait time for the camera to flip between day/night or night/day mode can only be set as low as 5 secs. That means at night, the image will be washed out for 5 secs after the security lights come on.
    Again, I haven’t had time to do extensive testing.

    The Xprotect s/w has the server port set to 88. I cannot change this to 80 – says something about port not avail..
    I can’t be exact as I am now out of the house for the day :(

    I checked my router port fowarding and 80 is enabled (as well as 88) for the computer the server s/w is running on, so not sure why I cannot switch it to 80.

    I tried to log on to it from here in work using the Xprotect web client (Milestone Mobilex64) but couldn’t get past the log-in stage, during installation

    For the Server URL I entered my ip address followed by :88 – http://xx.xx.xx.xx:88
    For the User name/Password, I tried my windows login info, and the server login info, wasn’t clear on what was required.
    But either one did not work.
    I get a ‘No response from a server with the entered URI address’ message.
    So I assume the address is the problem!
    Any advice would be appreciated!
    Thanks again.

    Peter

  130. 331 Peter
    October 10, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I’m guessing that Port 88 is not one that can be accessible from a remote computer.
    I will try (again) to change the Management s/w to use 80. May have to remove and re-install…

  131. 332 Peter
    October 10, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Ok. After removing the software (Uninstall) didn’t resolve the problem, I did a Windows Restore.
    Didn’t solve it either. After looking on their forums, I noticed that there were a TON of left over files in 3 different directories – I don’t know why a company could not create a proper uninstall!!!
    Removed all remnants of the program and re-installed and was successful in getting the Manager to use Port 80.
    Got the Mobile app and can view on my Android tablet.

    So then I uninstalled it again and put it on a different computer.
    That was successful too and I can view on my Tablet still.

    Now, how to I view on another computer? Obviously I found & d/l’d the mobile app ok, but I can’t find a desktop app…
    Where is it on their website??
    (I feel a bit dumb – should be there somewhere?)
    Peter

  132. 333 Peter
    October 10, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Oh, I think I need the Smart Client :)

  133. 334 Peter
    October 10, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    So Smart Client is installed on my other computer, but it just keeps trying to connect without actually connecting.
    I use the same address and port (8082) as the Tablet, but no connection.
    After a few minutes I get the “Failed to connect. Check the server address” msg.
    Damn!

  134. 336 Peter
    October 11, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Thanks for the suggestion.
    I’m actually posting in the Xprotect forum, since this is probably not Kosher to post in this forum as it’s slightly off topic :). Don’t want ppl getting mad at me :)
    I did get someone reply stating to use port 80 or just leave the port out all together. The 8081 and 8082 ports are only for mobile server access.
    Still can’t connect, nor from work, using the direct ISP.

    The other thing that is weird, is that the cameras ip’s do not show up in my routers list of connected h/w, even though they are viewable by entering their addresses directly in Chrome.
    I did try re-booting the router, but that did not have any affect.

    • 337 networkcameracritic
      October 11, 2013 at 9:27 am

      I use some free software that helps me figure stuff out on my network. On my Android phone, I use FING. When the phone is connected to my WiFi network, it will find all devices in your home network and many times you can tell what it is, like it may say ACTi or Hikvision. On my PC, I run NMAP, which can scan an IP address for open ports or scan my network like FING for connected the devices. I’m overdue for a review on XProtect and I was going to include some things I had to go through to make it work.

  135. 338 Peter
    October 11, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Finally able to log on. I disabled the firewall on the system running the server.
    So now I need to add rule to allow smart client access when it’s turned on.
    I’m not sure what to do here, so will investigate…

  136. 339 Peter
    October 11, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Didn’t find out how to fix my firewall :(

    • 340 networkcameracritic
      October 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      I had to reinstall everything for a new version that came out last week so I figured out the firewall stuff for the Smart Client. If you have the old version, 2.1 for Go, you may want to upgrade to 2.5, they made the install process easier. This is on Windows 7, your system may be different…

      a. run wf.msc (Windows Firewall)
      b. scroll down to “View and create firewall rules”
      c. click on “Inbound Rules”
      d. click “New Rule…” under Action on right side
      e. select “port” and click “next”
      f. “specify specific ports” enter 80 and click “next” THREE TIMES
      g. give it a name and click “Finish”

      I can see why they don’t do that automatically as it’s a security risk and you have to choose to accept it or not. Different than BlueIris for example that is not client/server and therefore no remote client at all. What’s nice is they cleaned up the mess with setting up a mobile server, it worked with my smartphone apps and web browser out of the box.

      • 341 Peter
        October 14, 2013 at 8:56 pm

        Ended up purchasing blue iris.
        Based it on the cost and functionality.
        Really like the small file sizes of the wvm files.
        Xprotect would have been ok if I hadn’t had the Client issue, but it felt too much like ‘bloatware’!

  137. 342 Peter
    October 12, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Swanns are accessible at the fol. address if any one cares to check the live stream:
    http://peterjenkins.chickenkiller.com:8081/index.html
    User/Pass = Guest

  138. 343 Peter
    October 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Gave up on the Xprotect s/w.
    Couldn’t get help from the forums. Email options were not present in the installed version (bug??)
    Could not access remotely without turning off the Firewall.

    Installed Blue Iris and had no problems, so nothing wrong with my system. Problem was all with Xprotect’s install.

    Need to get the email alert to work though. Will post on Blue Iris review on this site.

    Meanwhile, the link “http://peterjenkins.chickenkiller.com:8081/index.html” works, but now using Blue Iris.

  139. 345 AC
    October 16, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Hello everyone,

    I think it’s been about 4-5 weeks since I bought the first set of 4 cameras and then 1 week later I bought the entire NVR8-7200 package to total 8 cameras.

    I only use MAC so all the NVR software I tried on an old XP box laying around was a complete waste of time. Blue Iris , and all the other software recommended above is clunky.

    I’m extremely happy with the results of the NVR8-7200. It’s rock solid. I think I spent a total of 50 hours configuring and fine tuning the cameras and NVR. For the last month, everything has been running smoothly.

    The only problem with OSX / Safari and the NVR8-7200 web front end software is the ‘cursor’ at the bottom to navigate through the daily motion events. It’s pretty flawed, but there is a trick to get to the right time. This flaw does not occur on PCs. I’m really hoping they update the firmware for the NVR8-7200, but based on their past products, it doesn’t look like it will happen soon. Also the the switch from night vision to daytime does flicker back and forth during sunrise and sunset (which triggers all sorts of events).

    Oh yes, email alerts, I couldn’t get that working either on the NVR8-7200. I tried multiple SMTP hosts [ gmail, outlook, etc. ]

    95% satisfied with the purchase and it’s proved to be a significant help so far.

  140. October 17, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Hi

    does anybody know how I can query http://camera_ip/Streaming/channels/1/picture without a password? im running a script on my website that queries the camera with the link above, but since IE dropped using usernames and password in the HTTP Auth header, I can only view it using http://admin:12345@camera_ip/Streaming/channels/1/picture in Firefox

    Help would be much appreciated
    Pieter

  141. 347 EveryLittleThing
    October 17, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Has anyone noticed that the effective focal length of these cameras change when you change the resolution?

    For example, when set for 1080P(1920×1080) , the camera will show a physical area that is wider then what you will see when it’s setup for 3MP(2048×1536). Why would the lower resolution image show a wider area of coverage?

    This seems odd to me, there probably is some reasonable explanation for why it’s happening, but I sure can’t figure out what that would be.

  142. 348 Eric
    October 22, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Which do you think is better the swann 8 channel 4 camera nvr system 1080p 3mp bullet camera or the same lorex system? eBay has swann for $1119 and best buy has lorex for $999 which has since sold out. Or would you recommend getting cameras separate and go with blue iris software? Also have you ever got square trade warranty on anything 3 year is around $150. Any input would be appreciated. Also I saw your swann 1080p camera video on YouTube and they look awesome even through YouTube compressed video. Probably looks ever better in person on 1080p screen. Thx

    • 349 networkcameracritic
      October 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm

      Get the cameras separately, $167 for the Hikivision 4mm bullet at Wrightwood Surveillance is the best deal. That way you can pick and chose bullet vs. dome, you can chose lens size like wide angle front and year, maybe 6 or 12mm for side yards. Then BlueIris would work well with 4 cameras but I’m partial to Milestone XProtect, the Go version is free, smartphone apps are free and it will use less CPU power than BlueIris, you can get away with a Celeron PC.

  143. 350 Peter
    October 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    It’s very foggy here, so can’t use night mode, but daytime is great:
    email for a link to the server (Blue Iris) if you want to check it out.

    As for which way to go:
    I can only comment on the BI option. You need a very high end pc (I7) to run more than a few cameras. The pc has to be on 24/7 if you want to be capturing motion. Plus you need a good POE switch.

  144. 351 Bryan
    November 16, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    This camera is driving me crazy today. I can’t seem to get a smooth video stream. I’ve got it running over CAT5e POE to a netgear switch. I tried plugging a windows computer and mac computers directly into the switch and a router to view wirelessly but every time I try to view it on the web interface via the ip address the video is choppy and takes 5-10 minutes to show up. When I try to view over SecuritySpy software I get the same thing and it shows as 1fps.

    The substream on the web interface loads an image faster but even that is choppy and I can see the seconds on the clock freeze and then count up faster and freeze again.

    Anyone know what I’m doing wrong?

    • 352 networkcameracritic
      November 16, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      Some people had issues with the i-frame rate, make it equal to the frame rate, if it’s 30fps, make it 30. Also, your cable can be bad, try a different one.

  145. 354 JoeLansing
    November 16, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Do you have lights on your switch to see what speed it is connected at? 100/full on the camera and 10/half on the switch can mess things up. Swapping cables is good. You can even try plugging it straight into your PC with no switch or anything if you have other power for it. This confuses me though “I tried plugging a windows computer and mac computers directly into the switch and a router to view wirelessly”. You are plugging in to view using wireless?

  146. 355 tony pham
    November 18, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Before plugging t directly to your PC make sure the IP address is configured. Make sure you use the correct cable when plugging it directly to pc.

  147. 356 diy
    November 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Ok, So I bought the Swanns and tried to hook them up to my synology 412.

    First I tried to use he swanns as is. Everything looked good, except they wouldn’t be able to “format” the shared folder on the synology. They start to do it, go upto 35% and then display “HDD Initialization failure” and quit. The disk shows up as uninitialized. They were able to do motion detection and send out emails and such. I saw all the directories and shell .mp4 files that it created during formatting. But, no video.

    Next, I downloaded the latest firmware (raptor) from the http://ftp.hikvision site. Updating the firmware was a breeze. With the new firmware, the NAS was recognized and became available. However, 2 things happened-

    1. It still wouldn’t record on the NAS. Just having it configured is apparently not sufficient. I didn’t see any switch that let me turn the recording on to NAS. When I hit record from live view, it would record locally, on my c drive. But there seemed to be no way to record it to NAS. I used a NFS mount.

    2. Certain configuration pages were all messed in the user interface. The network page that lets you set the IP, Gateway etc was messed. However, that was ok, because you can run the SADP software (from HIK website) to set those. However, other pages were messed too- configuring recording times and such. The page that allows me to set the motion detection was broken (sensitivity control was missing and was set to 0 by default (least sensitive). And despite doing the exact same steps, I couldn’t get it to send emails upon motion and so on.

    So, all in all, updating the firmware made things worse.

    Next, I am going to try to use Surveillance station on the syn. I wanted to avoid this, but I guess I don’t have much choice.

    • 357 networkcameracritic
      November 18, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      Try and reset the camera by unplugging it, press and hold the reset button, plug the camera in and release the reset button after about 16-20 seconds. After a firmware update, some people had to do this to get to work properly again.

  148. 358 Q
    November 18, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    <<>>

    You need to reinstall the new Web Components bro.

  149. November 18, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Thanks for the replies, networkcameracritic and Q.

    I uninstalled Webcomponents and tried again. On Chrome, same issue. On IE, all the pages render correctly. So, maybe it was just the browser. I am using IE 8 on XP.

    This time, I tried to set up the NAS again and it failed. Same- HDD Initialization Failure. And then, on the second try, it worked fine. I did notice my laptop lost its connectivity around that time. Maybe a network glitch. Anyway.

    Then I set up a manual recording. It recorded fine. However, what I don’t understand is where its recording the video. I looked in all the folders on the NAS and I didn’t find any .mp4 files that are greater than 0 bytes. There was only 4 files with a .bin extension (index00, index01, index00p index01p). I tried renaming them to .mp4, but they wouldn’t play on VLC.

    So, where are the files being saved?

    I will post the details of the settings on the Synlogy and the camera shortly.

  150. November 18, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Ok, the email feature works too.

    I think the issue was the browser. Chrome caused lots of issues with the raptor upgrade to the Swann camera. Need to try a couple more things. And I need to figure out where in the world the videos are being stored, to make sure its actually going to the NAS and not my laptop’s HDD…

    Keep you posted.

  151. 361 Nelson
    November 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Does anyone have any advice on how to setup this up as a stand alone system? This requires the PC to be on all the time to record. I got the Swann HD820 cameras to work with HIKvision software, blue iris and via the browser. Blue iris was the easiest. Blue iris didn’t need NFS. I couldn’t figure out how to record with the others…I assume that I need to convert my NAS to NFS. I didn’t realize you can’t record without the PC being on. I might as well buy a standalone Swann system unless there are drawbacks?

    • 362 networkcameracritic
      November 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm

      You can get the next model up the line, like the Hikvision ds-2cd2632-f or ds-2cd2732-f (recently reviewed) and those have microSD card slots. They will write to the SD card, playback from the camera and no PC or NAS has to be powered on, just the camera. Worked very well but limited to 64gb.

      • 363 Robert
        November 29, 2013 at 10:07 am

        This is a great source of info for the Hikvision IP cameras. I bought the 4 camera system from Costco and think its really great. I would like to connect my Apple computer or a monitor directly to the camera – I don’t need to store files just to view video when determining where to install the cameras – before I run the wires to the NVR. I have the POE device and the camera powers up but I can’t seem to figure out how to get the video to display. I read someone that Hikvision has a camera finder software but can’t seem to find that. Any help would be appreciated.

        • 364 networkcameracritic
          November 29, 2013 at 10:27 am

          It’s tricky because if your cameras are attached directly to the NVR, it’s sort of has it’s own subnet and you can’t access the cameras directly outside the NVR, PC, Mac or otherwise, there’s no physical connection between your home network and the NVR’s private camera network. What some people have done is change the camera IP’s to their home subnet, like 192.168.1.xxx and then ran an Ethernet cable from the NVR camera ports to their router, in effect having two Ethernet cables from NVR to the router, one from the camera ports, one from the NVR port. I have not tried this personally, so I may be giving you misguided advice, so use at your own risk and other that have done this may chime in. Camera finder program, SADP can be found on http://www.WrightwoodSurveillance.com in their Support section. Swann does not support these camera as standalone cameras, so they don’t offer that program.

          • 365 Peter
            November 29, 2013 at 10:49 am

            If you don’t want record, then I would suggest not using the NVR at all.
            As the admin said, get the SADP program and run it (after you have your cameras plugged into the POE and the POE connected to your router).
            Once you give them individual ip’s you will get them by entering the IP address into your browser.
            Maybe try one to start, get that all going and then add the others.
            You could then sell the NVR!

          • 366 networkcameracritic
            November 29, 2013 at 4:02 pm

            If you get rid of the NVR, you’ll need a PoE switch to power the cameras.

          • 367 Robert
            November 29, 2013 at 4:43 pm

            Thanks for the quick response. I will download SADP and try that.

            I probably did not explain the situation very well. What I’m looking for is a way to check out the camera view before I finalize the location. Once I have the location selected I will run all the wires then use the NVR. What I would like to do is to stand near the camera location and view the video on a computer or monitor while a friend holds the camera in the potential location.

          • 368 networkcameracritic
            November 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm

            It’s easier if you just use your cell phone camera to pinpoint where you want to place it.

  152. 369 B.A.
    November 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    I am running several of the swann cameras and a hikvision camera using the hikvision software NVR in a win 7 virtual mavhine using the free hikvision nvr software available on the hikvision web site. The nvr software has camrra dection and ip change software built in. As mentioned you will need a Poe Switch 60 $ from amazon and a seperate large harddrive that can be formatted for the nvr sotware.

  153. 370 Colin
    January 23, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    I bought the Swann twin pack from Costco, as well as a Hikvision-branded dome camera from Wrightwood. They’re quite apparently the same manufacturer when you see the construction materials, cables, hardware and even shipping boxes are the same.

    However, I’m trying to use them with a 1080P 8 channel Dahua NVR, and it doesn’t seem to be working – the NVR will record a few seconds of video, then it’ll stall for about 10 seconds, continuously. If you view the bandwidth per camera graph you can see each camera comes online at the same time (though if you fiddle around with buffer sizes and UDP/TCP you can make one camera last a little longer than another). It happens with both the Swann cameras (which still have the Swann firmware in them) and the Hikvision.

    Am I doing something silly? Is the Dahua NVR just not compatible?

    • 371 networkcameracritic
      January 24, 2014 at 5:22 pm

      I have not tried the Dahua NVR with Hikvision cameras, but maybe someone that visits here that has done that can chime in.

  154. 372 B.A.
    January 24, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Compatibility between brands is a bit iffy.

    I am running similar cameras here, 2 Swans, and one Hikvision, with a 2nd Hikvision in house, but not yet installed.

    I am also running an ACTi IP optical zoom IP camera.

    The Hikvision/Swans are running against the Hikvision software NVR running in Windows 7.

    The ACTi is running against the ACTi software NVR running on the same box.

    A Dahua/QC DVR is running 6 600 line RF cameras and those are visible over an IP connection to the Dahua/QC DVR to the same box using internet explorer.

    Works fine.

    The software is free from each manufacturer (download) for up to aprx 16 cameras.

    The box is running an AMD FX 8320 eight core processor, and 16 Gigs of ram are installed.

    Running all this simultaneously does not stress the system, the CPU is running between 17 and 27% and task manager indicates 2.6 Gigs of the 16 installed Gigs are actually in use.

    I suggest you consider something like this if you want to use multiple brands of cameras against the same DVR/NVR, unless the manufacturer certifies to you that your proposed cameras will work.

    Anyway, that has been my solution.

  155. 373 gene
    February 9, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Hello – thanks again – I’ve spent a lot of time reading your site to try to understand what I should get. From your reviews, I’ve been amazed at the quality of cameras today. I want to get a POE camera – probably Hikvision manufactured. So, since I learned from you that Lorex is made by Hikvision, are the Lorex 1080p cameras below the same as ones you have reviewed?

    It seems like their focus is only 4mm vs others where they are variable focus cameras? If you use the 3 way dome camera, can you hang it at on an angled overhang and still be able to point it where you need to?

    http://www.costco.com/Lorex-8-Channel-Stratus-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-HDD-and-6-1080p-Cameras.product.100048586.html

    thanks,
    Gene

    • 374 networkcameracritic
      February 9, 2014 at 4:28 pm

      You can get the cameras from Costco but they are 2MP where the actual Hikvision branded ones are 3MP. The domes are the same as the Hikvision ds-2cd2132-i I reviewed but again, 2MP instead of 3MP. Frankly, not a fan of those domes, they are 2 axis and no, these domes have to be mounted level to the ground facing down, not surface mounted on a wall, not mounted at an angle. If you want domes in that price range that are 3-axis that you can mount at an angle from Hikvision, consider the ds-2cd3332-i like these – http://wrightwoodsurveillance.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_91&products_id=295 although they are temporarily sold out, they get them in regularly.

  156. 375 Q
    February 10, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Costco is now advertising these cameras as “3 Megapixel”, and I believe they are shipping with the new 5.x Raptor firmware.

    http://www.costco.com/Swann-HD-1080p-NVR-IP-Add-on-Bullet-Camera-2-pk.product.100039914.html

  157. 377 Andy
    February 14, 2014 at 11:09 am

    I spoke with Swann yesterday. The customer service rep said that they have two cameras at Costco:
    The first one: “Swann HD 1080p NVR IP Add-on Bullet Camera 2-pk” $349.99 are 2.1 megapixel.
    The second one: Swann HD 1080p 3MP IP Vari-Focal Add-on Bullet Camera $249.99 is a 3 megapixel.

    They also said that the 16 channel NVR with eight cameras comes with 3 megapixels cameras.

    I ordered one today, so after I get it hooked up I will check the resolution and report back.

  158. February 23, 2014 at 12:55 am

    Yes! Finally something aboiut varifocal costco security camera samsung
    costco 8 cameras.

  159. 383 David
    March 7, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Wow, what a great thread, I was up all night reading all the posts. I thought I knew a lot about CCTV stuff until I came here :-). I have a question about this Costo Lorex system. it’s on sale right now at $1700. http://www.costco.com/.product.100087430.html#BVRRWidgetID

    From reading this thread they seem to be the identical camera’s discussed here so that is good news as I’m upgrading from an older Swann DRV8 analog 480TVL system. Had a few break ins and those cams just did not cut it for recognition of the thief. Did a good job of showing me how they did it though :-)

    At any rate, I run Blue Iris in addition to an old Swann DVR8 which is recording 24/7. The BI is setup to record on motion and send me alerts, make noise by triggering .mp3 etc and has been working great, a lot better than the native DVR app, also b/c I use the BI mobile app that has playback which I believe to be invaluable.

    I would like to know if I could run the Lorex HD NVR system in the same capacity. Meaning running that 9 cam NVR system in a 24/7 mode and using Blue Iris to tap into the RTSP or ONVIF. I contacted BI Support Ken said that most DVR will not work and that I should see if it supports RTSP or ONVIF. I know I can use BI directly with all the Lorex Cams, but I also want to use the NVR as backup.

    I’m confused, some folks saying it’s on it’s on VLAN when connected to the NVR and can’t be connected to, and others saying it will work if you change the NVR VLAN to the standard 192.168.*.*.

    Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks a lot

    Dave

    • 384 networkcameracritic
      March 7, 2014 at 11:41 am

      Yes and no. When you use the Hikvision/Swann/Lorex NVR, you plug the cameras into it in the same way you plug analog cameras into a DVR except it’s Cat5 instead of Coax. Those cameras are not accessible outside the NVR. You can put the cameras on their own PoE switch, configure the IP address in your network, access them via BlueIris or web browser and then configure them manually in the NVR by providing the PoE address of each. Of course you can save money, get the Hikvision branded cameras, $168 each shipped and just use BlueIris as it’s sort a waste to have both and you already own the BlueIris license. The advantage of buying these Hikvision cameras separately is you have a lot of choices, bullets, eyeballs, domes, fixed lenses of different focal lengths, vari-focal lenses, audio, etc.

      • 385 David
        March 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm

        Thanks for the quick response. I actually have a $600 Costco/Amex coupon for spending an exorbitant amount of money last year so I want to use that for the purchase, but otherwise your idea of buying just the Hikvision cams is a sound one and would give me more flexibility.

        If I’m understanding you correctly, my requested setup is possible being that the Lorex system does come with and additional POE 8 port POE switch b/c it’s a 16 channel system with 8 on board POE ports and 8 on the other. With 9 cams in the kit, I could the extra POE to run the 8 cams on my 192.168.*.* network and have the Lorex NVR record 24/7 and also my BI could connect to them to for alerts and motion only.

        This is the additional switch that comes with the kit http://www.lorextechnology.com/accessories-for-security-cameras/PoE-switch-for-IP-cameras/prod420022.p . Hmmm…After reading the manual it looks like it may be Lorex proprietary stuff so it may only extend the restricted Lorex VLAN, so I may need to buy a different one like discussed here.

        The main reason I like to use the Blue Iris is b/c I have 8 indoor cams, (Panasonic’s BL series and Foscams FI9821w) and would like to stick with a single app for monitoring and alerting while I’m mobile. Also because as good as BI’s algorithm is for motion detection, it sometimes misses or doesn’t record long enough some situations where I need to review what happened minutes before or after. (I only have BI setup to recording on motion alerts) The NVR is the backup for that as it’s recording 24/7. So basically my BI is the alerting system and my NVR is the backup in case I need more footage.

        It’s a nice mix that I have used quite often on my meager setup now.

  160. 386 David
    March 20, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Just hooked up the Lorex NVR and Cams up and man do they look good. Thanks for all the tips in this thread to help me get them connected. I noticed with my 16CH Lorex setup. The 8 Channel on board POE jacks, when I hook up the cams using my personal LAN 192.168. *.*, Lorex wipes the IP and issues their own 172.168.1.*. I’ll have to then go through the entire IP configuration process again to get it to work with BI and Lorex NVR!!!!!

    It looks like it only retains my IP’s if I use the other separate 8 port POE switch and not the on board one. I can then just add my 192.168.*.* Cam’s to channel 9-16 within the Lorex NVR software.

    Anyone have luck getting the first 8 on board channels to be on their own LAN vs Lorex’s private 172.168.*.*?. I see that there is an Internal NIC address that starts with 172.168.1.1, but it won’t let me change it.

    • 387 hanson
      April 10, 2014 at 3:30 pm

      Hi David,

      How do you configure the Blue Iris to work in parallel with the NVR? Mine is LNR-380 and the Blue Iris does not recognize it. It works with IP CAM viewer so I know router port forwarding is correct.

      Thanks in advance,
      Hanson

      • 388 networkcameracritic
        April 10, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        I have never tried that with BlueIris but if you go the ipcamtalk.com forum, there’s more expertise on BlueIris there.

  161. 389 Michael Michael
    March 30, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    hi there,

    i could not find any details on whether the SADP software allows you to set alerts to get both an image and a video clip when motion is triggered. I am looking at the two camera sets that Costco offers, the “Lorex HD 1080p IP Add-on Bullet Camera” or the “Swann HD 1080p NVR IP Add-on Bullet Camera”. like it’s mentioned in here and in the comments, these seem to be the same cameras (albeit the lorex version has a longer night vision reach).

    i only need 2 cameras and don’t have a NAS or an NVR. I simply want to get an email alert with a video AND a snapshot when motion is triggered. i can also accept an FTP upload of the same instead of email. Does SADP have this functionality?

    thanks in advance

    • 390 networkcameracritic
      March 31, 2014 at 8:35 am

      You can do that straight from the camera, no PC needed. SADP is just Hikvision’s camera finder tool.

      • 391 Michael Michael
        March 31, 2014 at 8:47 am

        thank you for the speedy reply. so the camera, just like the foscam cameras has a web interface on it’s IP address that you can set these things?

        awesome. i might get a pair of these. now the debate is Lorex vs Swann :)

        • 392 networkcameracritic
          March 31, 2014 at 8:58 am

          Neither will support you for use without being attached to their NVR, that’s why I would recommend Hikvision like here – http://wrightwoodsurveillance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_91

          • 393 Michael Michael
            March 31, 2014 at 9:09 am

            very useful link. thank you. i might still want to get it from Costco for the warranty part and the fact that wrighwood has sold out of the 4mm ones :(. if i am reading you correctly, this functionality should work but neither Lorex nor Swann will support it if any issue occurs. i think i can live with that since i am fairly technically versed.

          • 394 networkcameracritic
            April 1, 2014 at 10:12 am

            From what Wrightwood has said, they are on their way from Hikvision and should be there in a week or so. Be careful as Lorex has a new camera they sell at Costco that looks similar to the ds-2cd2032-i but is not.

  162. 395 jimbo
    April 1, 2014 at 9:45 am

    It looks like Lorex has replaced the Hikvision cam (Lorex model LNB2151) with model number LNB2153 recently. Any info on who makes this bullet cam for Lorex?

    A side by side can be seen here. http://www.lorextechnology.com/support/self-serve/LNB2151-LNB2153-Bullet-IP-Camera-FAQs/5900079

    I was more interested in the Hikvision based (Lorex branded) hardware but I just ran across this set-up at Costco and I wasn’t familiar with the make of the NVR or the bullet cams. http://www.costco.com/Lorex-8-Channel-Stratus-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-HDD-and-4-1080p-Cameras.product.100087416.html I guess that being said, any info on where this NVR originates from as well would be great.

    Thanks in advance!

    • 396 networkcameracritic
      April 1, 2014 at 10:10 am

      It’s hard to say as I don’t believe Lorex manufactures anything themselves and they find low cost OEM solutions to fill their product line. It does not appear like any camera in the Hikvision lineup. You can always buy it, determine if it meets your needs and then return it to Costco if it does not.

      • 397 jimbo
        April 1, 2014 at 10:14 am

        As some of the others have stated, thanks for the quick response! Yeah, I need an additional cam or two so I may just get a DS-2CD2032-I to put on this system and compare the cams on my own. Thanks again!

  163. 398 David
    April 2, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Hey Jimbo,

    I have that version you are talking about but the 9 CAM Lorex NVR version, it was on sale a few weeks ago for $1700. I can tell you that from the look of the menu that it appears to be a Hikvision like networkcameracritic reviewed above. All the menu’s are identical and as well as the WDR and Date/Time that changes color. I even used the SADP tool to find and configure my IP Lorex cams to be on my LAN instead of the private VLAN Lorex has.

    Model MCNB2153
    Serial No. MCNB2153012**********
    Firmware Version V5.0.0 130729
    Encoding Version V4.0 build 130516

    • 399 jimbo
      April 2, 2014 at 7:46 am

      Good info David, much appreciated! I definitely want the cams to be on my LAN as well. I just placed the order online (didn’t have the set at our local Costco) so I should have it in a few days.

  164. 400 David
    April 2, 2014 at 12:05 am

    One other thing, the hood that covers the camera seems to be flimsy plastic and falls off easy. I drop one of the cams about 4 feet in my garage and now it doesn’t work anymore. Thank God for Costco :-)

    Other than that I’m really impressed with the quality of the cams.

  165. 401 Nicolas
    May 22, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Hi all, wanted to know since all these camera are from the same Hikvision. Can I get hikvision or lorex version to work with the Swann HD NVR.

    The one I purchased is from Costco, with only 4 cameras, It looks like they sold out the 2 pack for the Swanns. Was thinking of getting the Lorex 2-pack, same price…. But in the description, they states these NVR IP cameras will only work with a Lorex NVR.

    The NVR system I purchased was this from costco.

    http://www.costco.com/Swann-8-Channel-HD-3MP-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-HDD-and-4-1080p-Cameras.product.100070789.html

    Much appriciated.

    Nick

    • 402 networkcameracritic
      May 22, 2014 at 9:56 am

      Hikvision cameras don’t always work with Swann or Lorex NVRs and Swann and Lorex are not necessarily interchangeable even though they are manufactured by Hikvision. In the past, people have loaded Hikvision firmware on the NVR and cameras so they are all compatible, but that has become increasingly difficult to do and people have bricked their NVRs trying. Recently seen someone take this as far as he could, but no go. Also, Hikvision is trying to make name for themselves and distance themselves from OEM companies like Swann/Lorex, so not going to get better. Your best bet if you want to mix brands is to use a PC and use generic NVR software that supports thousands of different cameras. Software can start off as free like Milestone XProtect Go and move into pay software, some of it inexpensive like BlueIris Software which runs about $39 per PC at Wrightwood Surveillance.

  166. 403 Cam
    May 29, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    I’m trying to repurpose a couple of these cameras over from a Swann NVR8-7200 to Security Spy NVR software running on a Macbook Air. There’s a good reason to do this that I won’t go into here.

    So, I have a POE switch, a Zyxel ES-11008P, and I have one of the Swann cameras (camera 4, IP address 172.16.1.5, according to the Swann NVR) plugged into the switch.

    This is where I kind of get into the stupid questions – how do I hook up the Macbook to this arrangement? I’m thinking I just plug an ethernet cable from the mac into the Zyxel also – I did that but of course the Mac complains that the switch isn’t connected to the internet, and I can’t hit the camera IP from either the NVR software or a browser.

    Someone fill me in a little please?

    Thanks,

    Cam

    • 404 networkcameracritic
      May 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      You need to change the camera IP subnet (first 3 numbers) to be in the same subnet as you MacBook. Dahua and probably Swann provides a camera finder program called. You can see if the Hikvision one would work, you can find it HERE but it’s a Windows program. Alternatively, you can change the IP of your MacBook to that subnet, like maybe 172.16.1.222. Then you can connect to the cameras at their IP address and then change each camera one by one to your home subnet BUT because you are a MacBook Air guy, there’s no Ethernet port on that device, so changing it may not work as the WiFi router may route you to the internet instead of your camera but may still be worth trying. Either way, I recommend you get an Ethernet adapter for your Macbook, you don’t want to have cameras flooding your WiFi network trying to talk to the MacBook.

      • 405 Cam
        May 29, 2014 at 7:59 pm

        Yeah I have the ethernet adapter attached and the wifi turned off for the moment, to try to keep things simple at this stage. I just wasn’t sure how to connect to the camera, or even find it on the network. I’ll try some of your suggestions. Thanks.

        • 406 Cam
          May 30, 2014 at 5:37 pm

          Okay, that worked. I turned off wifi on the macbook (unnecessarily as it turned out) and changed the Macbooks subnet manually to 172.16.1.X for the Zyxel switch (which it’s connected to via thunderbolt ethernet adapter).

          Then I used Hikvision’s iVMS-4200 software to find the camera on the network at 172.16.1.5 (as expected). I had to enter the camera’s default username and password of admin and 12345 to get this to work. After I could see the camera video in the Hikvision app, I quit out of that and went over to SecuritySpy.

          I was able to set the camera up successfully there and it’s working now.

          I need to get a reliable 30fps recorded out of two cameras. I see the video hiccuping at times on this macbook, as other items fight for cpu time. I think we will go for a dedicated mac mini, most likely, and auto-upload the captured videos to vimeo, but I’m concerned that the computer will not be able to capture smoothly.

          Does securityspy have a reputation around this – should I try a different software?

          Thanks,

          Cam

          • 407 networkcameracritic
            May 30, 2014 at 5:46 pm

            That’s great that you got it working. Never heard of Security Spy. NVR software for Mac’s is not that popular.

  167. 408 B.A.
    May 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    I have a couple of IMacs here (not the latest and greatest, but adequate for most things) running intel 2 core processors, at 2.6 and 3.1 Ghz… I found that they just did not really have the horsepower to adequately host multiple IP (4) cameras using the ivms-4200 on IMac or hosted in a Win 7 emulator.

    Yes, they would kinda sorta work, but I would miss chunks of video while real time monitoring.

    My solution (as mentioned here previously) was to build a Win 7 Pro box using an AMD FX8320 eight core processor running at 3.5 GHz.

    What seems to take most of the CPU time is rendering the real time video. Recording, not so much.

    Real time monitoring 4 cameras uses roughly 17 – 25% CPU.

    Recording alone, no monitoring, takes 14 – 16% CPU.

    This beats my older IMacs which were mostly pinned at full CPU use.

    • 409 Cam
      May 31, 2014 at 1:39 pm

      Thanks for the input. My situation is a little unique here. I’m looking to capture martial arts classes (plus sparring) and auto-upload them to the web on a daily basis. For this particular location, two cameras are probably more than enough, and *no real-time monitoring* is required.

      So, it sounds like I might be able to pull it off, at least at this limited extent with my existing hardware.

      FYI for anyone interested: There are quite a few mac nvr apps; seems like SecuritySpy is the most established. Evocam is another. Macs and PCs have been running on the same underlying hardware since 2006. My 2011 Macbook Air has an i7 1.8GHz, and my 2011 iMac has the same at 3.2 GHz. The macbook is graphically challenged though, without a separate graphics card.

      Separate question: I really need audio capture. Is there a similar camera to Swann/Hikvision that supports audio? What about audio-in at the camera, so I can use a more focused microphone on one of the two cams?

      Thanks much

      • 410 networkcameracritic
        May 31, 2014 at 1:57 pm

        In the Hikvision line (Swann I don’t believe has such a model), the ds-2cd2432f-iw, ds-2cd2532f-is, ds-2cd2732f-is. If it’s indoors, your best bet is the ds-2cd2432f-iw, a small cube camera, but has built in mic & speaker. They all have SD cards for recording. The 2732 has audio in/out, but requires you attached a mic to the camera, the 2532 has a mic, but sort of muffled inside the housing. You can find them HERE

        • 411 Cam
          June 1, 2014 at 9:02 pm

          It’s all gonna be/is indoors. I’ve seen reference to the cameras having SD cards for recording before, but that confuses me – isn’t the whole point of a network camera to send the data via IP to a hard drive somewhere? I don’t wanna record onto an SD card or I’d just use a GoPro. I assume it’s optional, but it’s a little confusing as to why the option is even there.

          We’ll probably need at least 2 cams per location, with one of them externally miked, and the other with built-in. During my GoPro experiments, I found that we could get good audio of the instructor (even in a loud gym) via a Rode Videomic Pro shotgun mike (plugged into the GoPro via usb adapter). The other cam will just be to record student sparring, so doesn’t need good audio.

          I’ll check out the cameras you suggested above. Thanks – it would take me forever to figure out what you already know and share so freely.

          • 412 networkcameracritic
            June 1, 2014 at 9:25 pm

            How you record is up to you. You can record to an SD card on models so equipped based on motion detection (did not know the GoPro can do this), you can record to a PC and use their included iVMS4200 PCNVR software and you can record to an NVR. GoPro has limitations, lens and such, possibly a good camcorder would be best and record the events manually.

        • 413 Cam
          June 1, 2014 at 9:13 pm

          Okay, I should look at the cameras *before* I post. The 2432 looks good for our general-purpose camera (not miked). The dome versions are overkill for our indoor application. Is there a version of the 2732 (or other camera with audio-in) that’s not in a dome?

          • 414 networkcameracritic
            June 1, 2014 at 9:27 pm

            The bullet version of the 2732f-is is the 2632f-is. The 2432 has mic and speaker built in.

  168. 415 Cam
    June 1, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Thanks again. GoPro doesn’t have motion-detection; not even sure if it can be made to record to anything other than it’s internal SD card (I do know it can stream at least low-quality video out though). We were just using the GoPro because I had one, and likewise the shotgun mike. It kind of gave us confidence that the audio would be good enough, with the right mic, and what lens field-of-view would be required. But it’s totally not the right tool for the job.

    So, it sounds like the 2632 would have audio-in available also?

    Internal SD card is still a weird feature in a security cam – I mean, you’ve got to give it power anyway, so why not run the data down the same cable? I guess if you had a nanny-cam application it could make sense on the 2432, and the guts of the cameras are probably re-used from model to model. Still seems like a solution looking for a problem, but that’s product marketing…

    • 416 networkcameracritic
      June 1, 2014 at 10:03 pm

      If you get the 2632, make sure it’s a 2632f-is (the “s” is for audio). Recording internally to an SD card allows you to record without the use of a PC or NVR. For example, in a commercial install, we had a camera with no network connectivity available so we are using the internal SD to record.

  169. 417 cam
    June 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    I don’t see anything in the Hikvision manual about how to wire in the external mic. is there a separate installation manual or something ? Also, it’s clear that Wrightwood carries the Chinese firmware version of the cameras – does that mean I need to read Chinese in order to adjust camera settings? thanks again.

    • 418 networkcameracritic
      June 2, 2014 at 6:05 pm

      There’s a Mic + and Mic – on the camera pigtail where you attach the microphone to. All their cameras are in English, no need to learn Chinese Mandarin. The manuals are all in English and Chinese in the CD, the directory with EN are the English manuals. The firmware depends on the camera, but they provide the correct firmware on their website.

  170. 419 cam
    June 2, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    ok, sounds good. I saw the note on the Wrightwood site that said the day of the week would be displayed in Chinese unless turned off, so I was wondering what that meant for the rest of the UI.

    • 420 networkcameracritic
      June 2, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      That’s changed, the day of week is in English now. I actually turn it off anyway because it makes the date/time display too big.

    • 421 Cam
      June 21, 2014 at 2:54 pm

      The testing-adventure continues. Although we’ve selected a Hik 2632/2732 as the optimum camera to go with, I still haven’t fully proven that the concept will work. So, since the gym owner’s cousin runs a video surveillance install biz, we borrowed an obsolete Hik 752 ptz dome cam from him, which accepts audio-in.

      Got it hooked up and working with both the Hik iVMS 4200 software and the SecuritySpy mac NVR software. Audio-in from my Rode shotgun mic works as well. Our next step is probably to buy a couple of the 2632s. And maybe find a couple of cheaper microphones that are still directional (suggestions welcome there).

      But, there are a couple of minor niggles. The Hik iVMS software accesses this old cam fine, allowing me to change it’s IP address, settings, etc. However, I don’t see anywhere to change the time/date (presented in the overlay), and it’s off by about 15 minutes. Nor can I get the camera to go beyond 10 fps (spec sheet says 15), and although I’m able to adjust the resolution somewhat, it doesn’t look anything like 1600×1200 (spec sheet again) resolution. PTZ doesn’t seem to work either, but the camera may just be broken in that aspect.

      So, before I go and do a bootcamp install of Windows 7 on my Macbook to enable SADP.exe access (to see if the missing camera settings are available in SADP), I thought I’d try just a web connection. I can hit the Hik 752′s IP address with Safari or Chrome from the Macbook, but all I get is a blank page with a small gray box at the top. The gray box is too small to represent video-that-isn’t-streaming. It’s just about enough room for a user name/password dialogue, but as I said, it’s blank and grey.

      Have run this thread pretty far off-topic here, but are you familiar with how to connect to the older Hik cams via the web? A Win 7 install (VM or bootcamp) is a pain that I’ve been trying to avoid temporarily.

      Thanks,

      Cameron

      • 422 networkcameracritic
        June 22, 2014 at 10:01 am

        See if you can get a firmware update for that camera and see if that fixes some of the issues you are having. Also, on Hikvision’s website, you can download the MAC webcomponent plugin and install that manually. I had to do that for it to work on my Mac.

        • 423 Cam
          June 23, 2014 at 3:16 pm

          I had the web components installed, but did it again just to make sure. No difference. Gray screen with black dialog box (got the colors right this time). I’ve now downloaded the latest firmware from the Hik site (it seems they only have two versions, not specific versions by camera), but not sure how to install it?

        • 424 Cam
          July 14, 2014 at 3:59 pm

          I finally battled through the install of Windows 7 via Bootcamp on my Macbook Air, and that allowed me to get online access to my test camera, an old Hikvision 752 ptz.

          I would like to upgrade its firmware, but it rejects the 5.1 firmware (upgrade fails). It seems to be looking for a digicap.hex file (that’s what’s pre-filled in the file field), while 5.1 is digicap.dav.

          Any suggestions? I would really like to have this camera fully working before I go ask my biz partner to spend more money on newer ones.

          FYI, installing Windows 7 on a virtual machine under Mac OS X didn’t let me access the camera – a full-on Windows laptop was required. No idea why, and don’t really care, just FYI for the next reader.

          • 425 networkcameracritic
            July 14, 2014 at 4:05 pm

            You have to get firmware for that specific range of cameras. See if you can find it here – http://www.hikvisioneurope.com/portal/index.php?dir=Product%20Firmware/Cameras/

          • 426 Cam
            July 15, 2014 at 2:34 pm

            Yeah, that worked – thanks a bunch. Hikvision makes really no attempt to make their website useable or useful in this regard. One cannot find things even by poking around, which is frustrating.

            So, anyway, the camera accepted the firmware upgrade and now outputs something that looks like 1600×1200 video. Still doesn’t respond to ptz commands, or any other zoom/iris commands. I suppose it could be broken, but it doesn’t really look lilke it ought to be.

            Any other suggestions?

            Thanks again…

          • 427 networkcameracritic
            July 15, 2014 at 3:45 pm

            Don’t have much experience with the Hikvision PTZ’s, used one for an hour. Try calling their support (Technical Support Hotline: +1 909-612-9039)

          • 428 Cam
            July 18, 2014 at 4:41 pm

            Problem solved – Hik 752 is not a ptz camera! Actually it has a feature that Hik calls ePTZ on the datasheet, which just means that you can electronically scan the center of the image around, assuming you’re at less than full-resolution. A little confusing, as the camera looks like it ought to be PTZ based on size and housing, and the features are all visible in the various Hik software interfaces.

            Anyway, I pulled the camera apart and verified there’s no motor equipment attached – it’s just that you can move the camera around manually through the range normally controlled by ptz.

            Any input on how the two knobs control lens zoom? There’s one near the lens and one on the barrel. Both seem to control focus more than zoom. I guess I just need to play with them a little more.

            Thanks.

          • 429 networkcameracritic
            July 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm

            That camera has a varifocal lens, so there should be 2 wands on the lens, one to control focus, one to control focal length or maybe stamped W — T for wide to telephoto. They typically have a slot for a screw driver to loosen and tighten the wand, sort of like a set screw where you have to loosen it before it will move. I like to have some drag on the motion while I set focus, then slowly tighten it with the screwdriver to not mess up the focus. The manual for that camera is here – http://www.hikvision.com/UploadFile/image/2012062617505686285.pdf

          • 430 Cam
            July 21, 2014 at 7:57 pm

            Well, we’re running our own little forum here, well off-topic, but…

            I did succeed in figuring out which wand/setscrew does what. The one that controls zoom makes the glass lens move up and down in the barrel quite obviously. It’s only confusing because at max Wide, focus cannot be achieved, so one has to zoom in slightly, and then the focus wand can achieve a sharp focus (although maxed out in its range).

            Now for fun am trying to get a new Synology diskstation to recognize the Hik 752, either as a 753 (closest thing on their list) or as user-defined. Seems like Synology is having some issues with camera-disconnection on their DSM 5 software, and I may have finally reached the limits of what I can do with this old camera.

            Best,

            Cam

  171. 431 Bob Hargis
    June 20, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    I just LOVE these little Hikvision bullets (DS-2CD2132-I}. I bought the Swann 4mm version from Costco and also bought 6mm and 12mm from Wrightwood Surveillance, http://wrightwoodsurveillance.com/ and got the Chinese version for $168 each including shipping. I bought the 12mm for a tight shot of my drive way and two 6mm for a little tighter shot of my sidewalks. They took about 2-3 days to get to me and all 3 transactions and cameras were picture perfect. All the set up screens are in English. The are only guaranteed for 90 days and don’t come with the Costo cables. Very happy with them and they did very well in the subzero Rocky Mountain winter! I would highly recommend the fixed over the variable models.
    I was very unhappy with the Hik variable focal Bullet and the Dome and sent them both back to Costco. I would not recommend them as the bullet is huge and both are very hard to focus. I lost connectivity to the bullet sent it back and had the same thing eventually happen to the replacement. I had nothing but maximum IR bleed at night with the dome version and am stuck with that one. I may move it inside and take the dome off. I tried to mix the Hik’s and the Costco Dahua’s but ran into NVR rebooting problems. I’m sticking to all the same brand and have had no further problems. The Hik IP set up utility, SADP.exe, makes it a no brainer to change the IP address and passwords in the cameras. I pieced this together with Nelly’s $89 ION NVR and a POE network switch. It works very well and is absolutely quiet. Playing back recorded video is a bit tedious as it only fast forwards 4X. Other than that it is very user friendly and QUIET. I found all the major brand NVR’s were VERY noisy an that is absolutely ridiculous. I’m getting 6 days continuous recording on all 7 cameras on a 2TB hard drive. Hope this is useful to someone.

  172. 432 AG
    June 22, 2014 at 10:32 am

    what are you all setting the video standard at 50hz or 60hz

    • 433 networkcameracritic
      June 22, 2014 at 1:01 pm

      I’m in the U.S. so it’s 60hz and allows a max of 30fps for 1080P. If you are in a country with 50hz, then you’ll get 25fps max for 1080P.

  173. 434 Charles
    July 24, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Any chance of a review of this setup from Costco? Seems like quite a lot for the money, its 1,500 now

    Lorex 16 Channel Stratus HD NVR Security System with 3TB HDD and 9 1080p Cameras

    http://www.costco.com/.product.100087430.html

    • 435 networkcameracritic
      July 24, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      What I don’t like about Lorex is the made it so you can’t add other cameras made by the same manufacturer, Hikvision, so that’s very limiting in which cameras or even the same cameras but different lenses. The price seems about right, actually a little cheaper than buying the cameras separately but you are limited to 1080P even though the cameras can do 3MP. If you want to see the review, look at the Hikvision ds-2cd2032-i mini bullet review and the ds-2cd2132-i mini dome reviews I’ve done.

  174. 436 Charles
    July 24, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    How about the NVR aspect of the package?

  175. 438 Charles
    July 25, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Sorry, I don’t think I asked that clearly. What I meant was does the NVR aspect of the Costco package make the deal worthwhile? The drives etc. look Solid, and it would save me from dedicating a computer to an NVr, but no benefit if the nvr is fundamentally not that good.

    The other advantage for me would be “plug and play” for the package, not sure whether that’s just marketing hype

    • 439 networkcameracritic
      July 25, 2014 at 9:24 am

      Yes, because they don’t give you direct access to the cameras and you can’t easily configure options, it’s plug and play, at the lowest common denominator since you can’t do things like turn WDR or BLC on and other capabilities of the camera. Is it worthwhile, not sure. If it’s the low end Hikvision made NVR, then it does not have enough processing power to handle 16 cameras, hence the reason they give you 9, a number they determined works. The similar Swann package that Costco had with 8 cameras and a 16 channel NVR is likely better because it appears to offer the higher end NVR with more bandwidth, but that package was about $2,300 last time I checked. If you are OK with the package as it is, then it’s a good value. Keep in mind the mini-domes are 2-axis, meaning they should be mounted facing down, not wall mounted facing out.

  176. 440 Charles
    July 28, 2014 at 7:33 am

    Ah, ok. Any ideas, or does anyone here know, How to find out who the manufacturer is? They claim it’s a 16 channel DVR but of course they don’t tell you the bandwidth…

    The other thing I was thinking of doing was sticking with Acti cameras and using the Acti NVR software. How do the new 10mp cameras You recently reviewed compare with these cameras from hikvision? Is is worth paying more to get the actis?

    • 441 networkcameracritic
      July 28, 2014 at 7:55 am

      Their 10MP camera requires considerably more light than the 3MP Hikvision. You can also use the free Hikvision iVMS4200 PCNVR software, not as good as the ACTi software, but works. They are coming out with a new update, iVMS5200 that will be client/server and should be a step up from their old one.

  177. 442 Charles
    July 29, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Is there an acti equivalent to the 3mp hikvision? Meaning, roughly same capabilities and price point. Unsurprisingly, I’m mainly interested in low light/nightime performance, as that’s when bad things tend to happen in urban areas.

    • 443 networkcameracritic
      July 29, 2014 at 8:53 am

      Yes, the ACTi E32 is equivalent, but cost more. The D32 is equivalent if you don’t need WDR and is more cost effective. Low light performance is comparable, but Hikvision has better noise reduction but at the expense of detail where the ACTi is better.

  178. 444 Charles Frankenhoff
    July 29, 2014 at 8:08 am

    And on a related note, if I “downgrade” the 10mp acti camera you reviewed to 3mp, does it work as well in low light as the hikvision? I read the back and forth on the subject on that thread, but the conclusion wasn’t clear to me

    • 445 networkcameracritic
      July 29, 2014 at 8:54 am

      While it’s much, much better in 1080P mode, it’s still not as good as the 1080P or 3MP ACTi cameras in low light.

  179. 446 charles
    July 29, 2014 at 9:09 am

    As always, your responses are incredibly helpful. 2 follow on questions:

    How important is WDR for say face identification? I’ve read your write ups on it, but still don’t have a firm grasp.

    Bullet vs Vandal dome – aside from the obvious vandal advantages, is there any reason to favor one or the other these days? The stuff I’ve read on the forums etc. is really unclear, seems to say the camera matters far more than the form.

    • 447 networkcameracritic
      July 29, 2014 at 9:51 am

      WDR is good in high contrast situations. For example, in the bright sun, if someone is wearing a baseball cap, without WDR, the shadow from the brim would obfuscate the top part of their face. WDR would bring out the detail in the shadow.

      I use vandal domes in cases where I have the mount the camera low enough where it may get tampered with. I prefer bullets for their ease of install and use, just attach and point them where you want and done. Domes tend to have reflection issues that can be annoying so unless I need a dome, I go bullet.

  180. 448 Charles
    August 4, 2014 at 8:10 am

    Thanks, makes sense.

    On switches, I know you like zyxel, but have you ever looked at the ubiquiti toughswitch ts 8 pro managed switch? Pretty reasonable for 8 port poe and managed gigabit all ports. I’ve been really happy with it used to run my wifi networks, and it seems like it might be a great camera switch as well?

    • 449 networkcameracritic
      August 4, 2014 at 9:01 am

      The problem with Ubiquiti switches is they are not 802.3af compliant, so may not handshake properly with some cameras.

  181. 450 Charles
    August 4, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Ah yes. They are passive poe, not really sure why…

    That said, I read that it just means you have to manage the poe setting on the port yourself, does that make sense?

    And have you found any specific cameras that have problems? I’m fairly set on starting with the acti e?32 vandal and bullets for support and nvr reasons.

    On a switch topology note, I was going to put 4 cameras on a switch in a detached garage, and the run cat 6 from that garage to another switch in my basement rack, to which I’d attach the laptop used for nvr and all house cameras. Those 2 switches would be just for cameras, with a further uplink to my general house network. Does that make sense? And any need to mess with different subnets in that situation, or does the fact all the cameras are handled within local switches stop the network from clogging up?

    • 451 networkcameracritic
      August 4, 2014 at 9:55 am

      I have not tried that switch so don’t know. I personally have an 8 port PoE switch in my garage with an uplink to my main switch and another PoE switch in my office. This saves on wiring. The subnet is the same.

  182. 452 Leo
    August 4, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    I’ve been looking at the Zyxel GS1900-8HP.

    http://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-Fanless-Managed-Switch-GS1900-8HP/dp/B00GU1KULM/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1406090786&sr=1-3&keywords=zyxel+poe+switch

    It looks like huge bang for the buck. I plan to have 8-9 cameras running through two of these along with 3 PCs and an automation controller.

    -Leo

  183. 454 Charles
    August 5, 2014 at 6:05 am

    Given that switch seems to have poe on all ports, but only 70 watts total budget, how many IR enabled cameras will it actually support?

    • 455 networkcameracritic
      August 5, 2014 at 7:01 am

      That is a problem, not having full power on each port but here’s the delio. You will need one port to uplink to another gigabit switch anyway since you plan on having a 2, you’ll need a 3rd for the 2 connect to, and that 3rd will be where you plug your NVR or PC and router to. That could be a cheap switch, not PoE, maybe $20-30. So that leaves you 7 out of 8 ports for cameras on the ZyXels. That means 10W of power per camera at the switch, or about 8.3W at the camera with the longest cable allowed. Just about all the Hikvision/Dahua PoE cameras use about 7W max with IR on so you will be OK.

  184. 456 Pierre
    August 7, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Hello,

    Can you tell me which camera firmware version you were able to record to a NAS with. I am having problems with all 4 of my hikvision cameras, and they are all running V5.1.2 build 140116. So I was wondering if that is why I cannot record to;
    a. Windows 8.1 PC 32 Gigs of ram xeon E3-1230 V2@3.30Ghz processor, 4 x 2 Tb hd with
    i. Hikvision iVMS 4200 2.02 stand alone or with the storage server
    ii. or the above I. plus NFS software allergro running as well, or
    b. Linux ubuntu 14.04 running NFS Server.

    I know that all the above scenarios are not NASes,(I am aware of your post indicating problem if not going to a NAS) but I would like to know that the firmware is not the culprit for what I am attempting to do.

    I have got as far as initializing the hard drives, but that is it, except I was able to continuously record, one night, then nothing.

    My network speed is 1Gig, with 5 un-managed switches in a star topology. I have 4 hikvision cameras, 2 foscam and 2 webcam (the foscam and the webcam, are running on different software, just mentioning for network load reasons).

    I can view all four HIK cameras using the pc software ivms 4200, or the android ivms 4500 but not recording to a PC whether in Linux or windows 8.1.

    I can’t be the only one out there trying to accomplish this.

    Hence, I would very much like to find out, when you conducted your test, which firmware version you were using.

    Also, if you know of a person who has succeeded in using the Hikvision ivms 4200 2.02 software along with the hikvision storage server, on a windows 8.1 platform, please point them my way!

    Thanks,

    Pierre

    • 457 networkcameracritic
      August 8, 2014 at 7:41 am

      When I tested it for my article, it was 5.0 and that worked. Since then I’ve had issues with 5.0.2, 5.1, 5.1.2, 5.1.6. There are patches to the code that people posted, but requires some Linux skills. As for iVMS4200, it is CMS software, not NVR software, so does not record. If you want to record, install iVMS4200 PCNVR but it will ask you to format a disk (meaning wipe it out), so make sure you have a separate disk on your PC for this before installing. Also, consider Milestone XProtect Go which is free for 8 cameras and 5 days recording (the full version is $50/camera). Also, many people like BlueIris ($40 at WrightwoodSurveillance.com), easy to use and you can download a 2 week trial at BlueIrisSoftware.com.

  185. 458 Chuck E.
    October 3, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    I’m having trouble saving the camera settings on the “image” section of the configuration page. The page is missing the “save” button. When I leave this section, the setting changes are lost, because I’m unable to save them.

    I noticed your screenshot, of the “image” section on the “configuration” page, is missing the “save” button as well. Do you have any insight here; it would be greatly appreciated.

    • 459 networkcameracritic
      October 3, 2014 at 12:39 pm

      There is not “save” button. When you change a parameter, it will say “save succeeded” below the options. If it’s not saving your changes automatically, then try updating firmware to a newer release.

  186. 460 Michael Michael
    October 3, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    anyone know where to find the latest firmware for these cameras?


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